[arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System)

Ted Mittelstaedt tedm at ipinc.net
Tue Sep 14 00:57:04 EDT 2021

On 9/13/2021 2:43 PM, Joe Maimon wrote:
> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>> Helping them to find IPv4 just kicks the can down the road a bit more.
> It helps them right now. What it doesnt help is the state of IPv6
> deployment. Which most users could care less about. Its just your (most
> noble) goal, and you would have us all ignore others' needs of today for
> your vision in the who-knows-when future.

I didn't invent IPv6.  Not my circus not my monkeys.  I'm just a guy
who listened to the experts when they said "we invented this IPv6 thing"
then learned about it and used it.  I didn't listen to the experts and
try to think up excuses for not doing what they said or try to figure 
out ways to snake IPv4 away from other people.

> My goal here is to encourage people to step back and consider what has
> actually happened and how and to learn from that. My hope is that the
> self governance model survives this self inflicted disaster.

The lesson is people shouldn't have dragged their feet on IPv6.  The 
experts told them what was coming, the experts built a replacement, and
the sheeple out there in networking and sysadmin land ignored it and
now are being smacked around because they ignored it.

>> Just because kicking people's asses to get IPv6 deployed isn't going to
>> help someone who doesn't have IP4 RIGHT NOW doesn't mean it's a wasted
>> effort like you claim.
> The fact that it has failed for 20 years means exactly that.

It means nothing.

Electric cars have been around for a century.  But claiming that they
failed for 80 years means they are failing now is idiotic because
they aren't failing now.

People tried for well over 20 years to make a vaccine for coronaviruses.
Lots of "experts" said when the pandemic started the money spend on 
trying to get one would be a waste of money because they tried for 20
years to get a working one and it never worked.  Then Moderna came along
and said "up yours, experts"

Charles Babbage invented the Difference Engine in 1821.  A machine based
on it was finally built in 1854 by George Scheutz.  Babbage invented the
Difference Engine 2 and it was finally constructed and currently sits in
the London Science Museum and it can calculate to 31 digits.

Welcome to how technology works, Joe.  Lots of times an idea that works 
and is valid and proved out is not implemented until decades later.
It is simply that the time wasn't right for it.

The thing that's so incredible about IPv6 wasn't that it was thought up
and built and works.  It was that it was thought up and built and worked
decades before we ran out of assignable IPv4 and really needed it. 
Usually inventions like it are the result of a madcap crash at the last 
minute and thrown together.


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