[arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System)

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Mon Sep 13 14:11:01 EDT 2021

> What is really going on here Owen is the "keep IPv4 and dump IPv6" proponents have successfully reframed the argument into whether or not it's irresponsible to "hang on to unused IPv4"   And I am afraid you have fallen into that trap.  If they can get you down that rabbithole and making that argument then they win.

Nah… I’m hanging on to my used IPv4, but they’re arguing that it’s irresponsible for me to do that and I’m saying no.

> In the US the anti-abortion people are expert at this trick.  And what they do is just as invalid as your question on whether or not it is
> irresponsible for you to use NAT va IPv4.

Wasn’t my question. Was my restating someone else’s argument, but understood.

> You got "punked" in the debate I'm afraid.

Not so much… Just willing to entertain all sides and see where things land.

> If people spent a tenth of the effort deploying IPv6 as they do fighting
> over whether or not so and so should give up some IPv4 or whether or not
> IPv4 should be leased or not leased, then nobody would be using IPv4 at all by now and the IPv4 debate would be a moot issue.

That was, indeed, kind of my point the whole time.


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