[arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System)

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Sun Sep 12 01:37:22 EDT 2021

Actually, Roku is one of the parties that would face a potential forcing function if Comcast and/or some others of similar
size in the Eyeball market announced a date when they would start surcharging IPv4.


> On Sep 11, 2021, at 20:20 , Paul E McNary <pmcnary at cameron.net> wrote:
> I must somewhat agree. Our fiber provide to our ISP just recently rolled out ipv6 but not dual stack.
> We have a great deal of problems routing to ipv6 hosts from our customers ipv6 ip addresses.
> We have trouble with our Verizon phones on ipv6 getting to our routers.
> People out in the country putting in video surveillance systems that the will only use a static ipv4 IP.
> We are out of ipv4 IP's.
> So at this point it costs us customers and increased service calls when ROKU says the ISP (Us) is at fault.
> They expect us to cover the min. $100 service call fee on a $50 plan
> Tell me how can that work.
> I have been quiet on this list for 2 or 3 years. This entire message chain makes no good solution.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Maimon" <jmaimon at chl.com>
> To: "Owen DeLong" <owen at delong.com>, "William Herrin" <bill at herrin.us>
> Cc: "arin-ppml" <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2021 9:59:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System)
> Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML wrote:
>>> On Sep 10, 2021, at 19:29 , William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:
>>> On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 5:42 PM Mike Burns <mike at iptrading.com> wrote:
>>>> May I ask if you're thinking changes with the understand that all of the addresses being considered are going to be purchased.
>>> Hi Mike,
>>> I suppose my real worry is that the address sale market dries up
>>> because it's more lucrative to lease them. With leasing agents running
>>> around helping address holders monetize their IP addresses through
>>> leasing in order to take a cut. That would be a travesty.
>> Would it? The easiest way to eliminate leasing providers outright is to migrate to v6.
>> The industry seems to prefer leasing providers over v6, so meh. Are all the market
>> proponents going to claim the invisible hand is wrong now?
>> Owen
> The invisible hand has its middle finger extended, telling you and those 
> like you what many have been saying for years unto deaf ears. IPv6 and 
> its migration have been and continue to be an utter disaster, created 
> purely out of ivory tower hubris that designed it to be an incompatible 
> dual stack dual cost useless investment for most of the actual users of 
> the network.
> And it was easily predictable.
> Joe
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