[arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System)

Mike Burns mike at iptrading.com
Fri Sep 10 20:42:15 EDT 2021

Hi Bill,
Thanks for your thoughts.
May I ask if you're thinking changes with the understand that all of the addresses being considered are going to be purchased. So really the needs tests are besides the point. The payment of the money is the expression of need.

I myself would be uneasy at the thought of anybody making a business out of accessing free public IP pools and turning around and renting them.

But here in Arin where we're holding this discussion, that will not be a problem because of the policy moats around our free pools.

Conservation is provided by the market. Addresses will flow to their best and highest need.

Mike ---- On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 19:38:15 -0400  bill at herrin.us  wrote ----On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 1:13 PM John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:> On Sep 10, 2021, at 12:25 PM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:> > On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 6:06 AM John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:> >> An LIR may not assert that  they have a new _technical need_ for more IP address space as a result of signing a leasing contract.> >> > Lol. They have to take the extra step of programming a router. The> > business need is made technical. Such a high, high bar.>> Yes, under current policy that is correct.>> Do you see that as a problem – and if so, do you have a proposed change to policy text to improve it?   That requirement could be eliminated or could be strengthened (as the community feels most appropriate.)Hi John,I think:1. It's disingenuous to argue that a LIR can't lease addresses absentinfrastructure when the infrastructure bar they have to meet isnegligible.2. I've tried and failed to draft policy which sets a higherinfrastructure bar without creating an operational problem for realnetworks.3. I'm disturbed by the idea of an "ISP" which just leases addresses.When I examine that feeling more closely, I find that it's not fardifferent than the unease I feel about ISPs providing any addressesfor BGP use by customers, with or without network infrastructure.Which in turn is not far different than I feel about ISPs providinglarge blocks of addresses to any customer rather than asking them toprocess technical need through ARIN. All three of those situationshave conflicts of interest in which the ultimate user of thoseaddresses may not be well served. Fixing these things -would- likelymean operational changes to real networks.Regards,Bill Herrin--William Herrinbill at herrin.ushttps://bill.herrin.us/_______________________________________________ARIN-PPMLYou are receiving this message because you are subscribed tothe ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML at arin.net).Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppmlPlease contact info at arin.net if you experience any issues.
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