[arin-ppml] AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System

Sylvain Baya abscoco at gmail.com
Tue Sep 7 17:26:48 EDT 2021


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Please see my comments below, inline...

Le lundi 6 septembre 2021, John Santos <john at egh.com> a écrit :

> Exactly what service or services does Cloud Innovation provide to its
> customers, apart from raw IP addresses?
Hi John,
Thanks to ask this same question again, brother.

It appears that CI Ltd's website is honest [1] about their lack of real
Internet Service to provide. They
don't bother to secure any ASN...so, no *network*?
[1]: <https://web.archive.org/web/20210906183940/https://

A question could be, how is it possible to classify the *network*
relationship with their client base?

...in other words: which kind of network relation exists between CIL &
their ooR (out of Region)
downstream clients?

...or: are they filling AfriNIC's IRR with inaccurate info?

As said above, i see [1] the same words shared
by Christian Orozco. The brother has simply read
the public claim on the website [1]... :'-(


Established in 2013, Cloud Innovation Limited
specialises in IP address management. It partners
 with LARUS Limited (a company established in
Hong Kong) to delegate IP addresses to customers,
 such as, *global telecommunication* companies and
 *Internet service providers* (ISPs). Cloud Innovation
 is not only a frontrunner for IP address  management, but also *donates
Foundation every year *to support the development*
 *of the Internet in Africa*.

...the latest sentence quoted above raises other questions :-/

As it's public knowledge that LARUS Foundation
isn't an African based Org...

...also, if we assume that the said donation reached
 its intended destination, it would be interesting to
know what have been its direct impact so far...


> On 9/6/2021 6:02 AM, Christian Orozco wrote:
>> Hi Ronald,
>> Cloud Innovation serves hundreds of networks, some of which are
>> considered as the largest telecommunication companies in the world and the
>> largest Cloud service providers even.
>> It would totally help to check the BGP first for your information. That
>> will best answer your question.
>> Regards,
>> Christian
>> On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 5:17 AM Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg at tristatelogic.com
>> <mailto:rfg at tristatelogic.com>> wrote:
>>     In message
>>     <CAOacvLF+mWgvnP738uG7eP+oLHO=Xuc4oqqxF+KdD1D7w_hNcA at mail.gmail.com
>>     <mailto:Xuc4oqqxF%2BKdD1D7w_hNcA at mail.gmail.com>>,
>>     Christian Orozco <chresgoro at gmail.com <mailto:chresgoro at gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>      >... However, your statements on Mr Lu
>>      >could be easily misinterpreted by people who have not understood
>> well how
>>      >CI is able to provide trusted service to millions of end-users...
>>     How you you know that Mr. Lu is providing service to millions of
>> end-users?
>>     Can you verify that with actual reciepts?
>>     Regards,
>>     rfg
>> [...]
> --
> John Santos
> Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc.
> 781-861-0670 ext 539
> [...]


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