[arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System)

Elvis Daniel Velea elvis at velea.eu
Tue Sep 7 14:34:32 EDT 2021


Hi Chris,

> On Sep 7, 2021, at 11:04, Chris Woodfield <chris at semihuman.com> wrote:
> 
> Don’t forget the the ultimate say does, in fact, lie with the community, in that the members of the Board and the Advisory Council are elected by the community.

Allow me to be skeptical about this statement too. I vaguely remember how a well respected board member was not ‘selected’ for candidacy for re-election and was not allowed to defend its seat because some group of people made a decision. This happened just a few years ago and I had quite a few chats with lots of community members that were outraged to see this is possible. It was during an ARIN Meeting in Vancouver, in 2018, if my memory serves me well.

> 
> While there’s always the potential for a cynical take on the community’s ability to affect meaningful change when needed, I’d hope that any egregious policy decisions made by these bodies - decisions that the community agrees are not in line with their collective interests - would result in the Board and/or AC members responsible for those decisions having a much more difficult time with their future re-election campaigns than they would otherwise.

PDP shouldn’t really work this way. Bottom-up either.

/elvis

> 
> -Chris
> 
>> On Sep 7, 2021, at 10:49 AM, Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Elvis
>> 
>> I have the same view as you do.
>> Despite this undertanding (and maybe the Board too - and correct me if I don't reproduce it accuratelly) I refuse the view that "PDP is a concession of the Board to the Community" and - this is what makes it even more controvertial - that 'this does not void ICP-2" due to historical reasons or whatever justification.
>> 
>> They are entiteled to their opinion but I do not believe that corrensponds to practical realitty.
>> 
>> I sincerelly hope that not only ARIN Board by any other RIR Board never void the bottom-up process and respect the ultimate power of community to choose how policies will be, not the Board unilaterally at their will.
>> 
>> Obviouslly this doesn't confuse with the prerrogative of the RIR Board to care about the organization protection and legal protection and I support that including the prerrogative of the Boards to ractify proposals that reached consensus.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Fernando
>> 
>>> On Tue, 7 Sep 2021, 14:10 Elvis Daniel Velea, <elvis at velea.eu> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 7, 2021, at 09:10, Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml at arin.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> While the Board delegates the administration of policy development routinely to the ARIN AC, but it retains ultimate authority commensurate with the responsibility that they must bear for the organization.
>>>> 
>>>> This is a very useful clarification to have available for those who continue to argue that the community is the ultimate authority on policy matters. Thank you.
>>> 
>>> Very surprised to see John explain how the bottom-up process works (or not) in ARIN and how much influence the ARIN Board has on policy.
>>> 
>>> I am also extremely surprised to see the difference in PDP between ARIN and the rest of the RIRs as per John’s statement above.
>>> 
>>> Elvis
>>> 
>>> 
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