[arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System)

Mike Burns mike at iptrading.com
Tue Sep 7 14:16:56 EDT 2021


Thanks for the refreshing discussion on the inevitability of leasing and the difficulty blocking it with policy, but if placed only in the context of the free pool, it's just a tempest-in-a-teapot.
Nobody is going to build a leasing business on acquiring rental inventory from the ARIN free pool(s).

The issue to be addressed is allowing leased addresses to act as justification for new purchases.
Considering that RIPE has had a long-term thriving market with no justification at all, even ARIN policy allowing leased addresses to be used as justification is only slightly less tempest-in-a-teapot. 

When marshalling arguments against the use of leased addresses as justification for new purposes, you have to carefully consider weighing them against the RIPE example, where there are no justifications, and no proscriptions against buying addresses in order to lease them out.[1]  It can be done; it has been done; it's being done. If there is a genie in a bottle, that genie has long since escaped without incident.  

Regards,
Mike
[1] There is a "single element in the RIPE region" rule.

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From: ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> On Behalf Of William Herrin
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To: John Curran <jcurran at arin.net>
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Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System)

On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 4:51 AM John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:
> On 7 Sep 2021, at 4:39 AM, arin-ppml <arin-ppml at arin.net> wrote:
>> It is perfectly within ANY RIR’s policy if I distribute addresses to customers that are connected to me only via a GRE tunnel or other VPN. The only infrastructure required to support this would be a cloud-based VM that wouldn’t even need to be on my hardware. With that very thin fig leaf, I’ve met the test of connectivity that is required by some RIRs and I’m technically providing sufficient transit to meet the qualifications for address space.
>
> Correct, but making the representation that you need to have number resources issued to provide VPN services when the actual intent is simply leasing would be a fraudulent representation.

Hi John,

This smells a bit like equivocation. If they're offering a VPN service then they're not just leasing addresses hence ARIN is still empowered to go after address lessors. I think Owen's point (and my own in a prior message) is that anyone whose -purpose- is to lease addresses can -construct- a negligible-cost, ARIN-compliant way to do so.

So sure, you can bust the first handful who skip that step before the rest get wise. Then what?

Regards,
Bill Herrin


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