[arin-ppml] AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System

Christian Orozco chresgoro at gmail.com
Tue Sep 7 03:38:10 EDT 2021

Hello Ronald,

You already pointed out that there are hundreds of companies and yet you
still see CI's reach as "small." That simply does not sound right. You may
also want to check the LARUS website for their customer reference (
https://www.larus.net/customers) and cross-check the BGP. If you still
believe that there is only one large company that CI serves, you must have
not informed yourself well enough.

Also, with your statement, are you implying that small entities are less
important than large ones? And that there is nothing wrong in letting them


On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 4:18 AM Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg at tristatelogic.com>

> In message <
> CAOacvLF_OyKu2xSoK_KAWmUEXD5PuMiJwnN5meC1KRfW1-M_yA at mail.gmail.com>,
> Christian Orozco <chresgoro at gmail.com> wrote:
> >Cloud Innovation serves hundreds of networks, some of which are considered
> >as the largest telecommunication companies in the world and the largest
> >Cloud service providers even.
> >It would totally help to check the BGP first for your information. That
> >will best answer your question.
> You made an assertion that CI was serving "millions" of end users.  I've
> asked you to support that assertion with hard evidence.  You have provided
> none.  Thus, I remain unpersuaded.  And yes, I *have* looked at the BGP
> data, and much more.
> In fact the one and only really large telecom company that I have seen as
> "being served" by Cloud Innovantion is China Telecom.  If there are others
> that are obtaining service from Cloud Innovantion (and not the other way
> around) and where that fact can be demonstrated, then by all means, please
> proceed and present that evidence.
> In contrast to the picture you have painted, what I have seen, based on the
> admittedly set of data points I have looked at, is that Cloud Innovantion
> appears to serve a relatively small number (in the hundreds) of companies,
> mostly ones in Hong Kong that are, by and large, of relatively recent
> vintage.
> Those CI customers in turn appear to each have relatively few unique
> customers,
> with many of them apparently specializing in running large "cookie cutter"
> SEO web farms.
> Regards,
> rfg
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