[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2021-6: Remove Circuit Requirement

[Noah]

On Wed, 22 Sep 2021, 13:40 Owen DeLong, <owen at delong.com> wrote:

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> On Sep 21, 2021, at 16:16 , Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
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> If it makes business sense to lease, the best is to seek sub-allocations
> from existing LIR by requesting a service from the said LIR.
>
> Chances are the cost of direct sub allocation from an LIR providing such a
> WISP connectivity services would be way much lower since there are no 3rd
> party markups cost wise.
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> Pricing below assumes a 30 day month and computes the monthly price as
> (hourly price*24*30).
> All of these are prices over and above the connectivity charge for
> whatever circuit on whatever plan you get with the provider. These are just
> the additional fees for static addresses from the providers shown.
>

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> Google static IP address pricing (assigned but unused address per month):
> $7.20
> Google static IP address pricing (in use on a standard VM instance per
> month): $2.88
>
> Azure Static IP address pricing Standard (ARM) per month, single address:
> $3.60
> Azure Static IP address pricing Standard (ARM) per mont, prefix (per
> address): $4.32
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> Amazon pricing for static IPs is sufficiently opaque that I couldn’t
> figure it out.
>
> Comcast static IP (Business class service only, so double your
> connectivity price, too), $19.95/month
>
> Century Link static IP $15/month + $75 setup
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> Charter static IP (Business class service only, so plan an upcharge there,
> too): $65/month or more
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> AT&T static IP: $15-$40/month
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> Verizon Business: Starting at $99.95/month
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> OneSource: $11/month
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> EarthLink: $15/month
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> Tell me again how all of these circuit based LIRs are cheaper than the
> average $3-$5/month from a non-facilities based lessors?
>

Owen, you are ignoring the infrastructure investments made by all the above
providers. How do you expect them to deliver services to end-users without
a fee.

How would they cover operational costs related to provision of the circuits
associated with each of the above.

As for the additional costs to static IPs, all I am seeing is different
prices depending on the providers in which case, end-users have a choice.





> And that's assuming they can afford to purchase.
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>> If they don't prefer brokers or IPv4 lessors to an LIR, there is no lease
>> business and nothing for you to fret about.
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> The draft policy dont make no sense. The whole thing started with IPv4
> transfers year ago and now cropping into IPv4 lessors but to whose benefit.
> Certainly not the community.
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> So how, exactly, does the community benefit from paying $15+ per address,
> upwards to as much as almost $100/address/month instead of being able to
> lease from independent sources for ≤$5/address/month?
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The services they keep enjoying provided for by the providers.

Who is your home ISP? Dont you value anf enjoy the service they provide you?



> I mean I’m willing to accept the idea if you can make it make sense, but
> so far, your claims about pricing just aren’t reality.
>


My claims are valid as per some of the few examples you provided above of
services that include suballocations based on need.

Noah



> Owen
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