[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2021-4: Clarifications to Sections 8.3, 8.4 and 8.5.6

Martin Hannigan hannigan at gmail.com
Thu Oct 21 22:16:00 EDT 2021


On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 22:06 Chris Woodfield <chris at semihuman.com> wrote:

> I think Joe’s got a good suggestion that I would support - define
> “transferable number resources” as IPv4 addresses and ASNs in Section 2,
> and go from there.
>
> -C
>


 Sort of saying the same thing differently. Im looking for the easy vs
elegant approach.

YMMV,

-M<





>
> On Oct 21, 2021, at 5:39 PM, Martin Hannigan <hannigan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 14:53 Chris Woodfield <chris at semihuman.com> wrote:
>
>> I support this edit, for same reasons others have mentioned.
>>
>> If I’m recalling yesterday’s presentation correctly, it was ARIN Staff
>> and Legal, not the AC, that determined that this language could not be
>> implemented an editorial change, so that’s not up for debate here.
>>
>> One possible adjustment that I’d like to suggest is that the term “IPv4
>> and/or ASN resources” seems a bit awkward, given how many times it appears
>> in the section. Perhaps we could add a new section that incorporates
>> David’s suggested language, but also handles the clarification of the
>> definition of number resources in a single place, scoped to Section 8.
>>
>> So, a new Section 8.1.1, which I’d propose would be named “Definitions”,
>> could read as follows:
>>
>>
>> All references to “number resources" in this section, unless stated
>> otherwise, refer to IPv4 addresses and/or ASN resources.
>>
>> When number resources of multiple types, including IPv6 resources, are
>> transferred, each resource type is considered separately and independently,
>> both for any conditions on their transferability and the application of any
>> restrictions following a transfer.
>>
>>
>> Following this, the other edits to Section 8 in the proposal can simply
>> be changed to “number resources” to suit.
>>
>> Opinions?
>>
>> -C
>>
>
> We’d be better off using defined terms. Easier to construct, but end up
> being document global.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> -M<
>
>
>
>
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2021, at 11:23 AM, Martin Hannigan <hannigan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I agree with Owen re: the editorial nature of the changes. However, I
>> support it moving forward. I don't support the Farmer suggestion. That is
>> possibly a material change that should undergo the rigors of "the process"
>> on its own.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> -M<
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 11:33 AM Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML <
>> arin-ppml at arin.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I support this amendment.
>>>
>>> Owen
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 20, 2021, at 12:45 , David Farmer via ARIN-PPML <
>>> arin-ppml at arin.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I support this proposal as currently written.
>>>
>>> However, regarding Kevin Blumberg's comment at the ARIN 48 discussion of
>>> this policy earlier today; How about adding a paragraph like the following
>>> to section 8.1, Principles;
>>>
>>> When number resources of multiple types, IPv4, IPv6, and/or ASNs, are
>>> transferred, each resource type is considered separately and independently,
>>> both for any conditions on their transferability and the application of any
>>> restrictions following a transfer.
>>>
>>>
>>> Something like this added to Section 8.1, Principles, along with the
>>> already proposed changes should eliminate any possibility of confusion in
>>> this regard.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 7:52 AM ARIN <info at arin.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 19 August 2021, the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted
>>>> "ARIN-prop-299: Clarifications to Sections 8.3, 8.4 and 8.5.6" as a Draft
>>>> Policy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Draft Policy ARIN-2021-4 is below and can be found at:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2021_4/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will
>>>> evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this draft
>>>> policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated
>>>> in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration
>>>>
>>>> * Technically Sound
>>>>
>>>> * Supported by the Community
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The PDP can be found at:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sean Hopkins
>>>>
>>>> Senior Policy Analyst
>>>>
>>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Draft Policy ARIN-2021-4: Clarifications to Sections 8.3, 8.4 and 8.5.6
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Problem Statement:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The current language in Sections 8.3 and 8.4 is not clear regarding
>>>> ASN-only transactions as well as the term “number resources”. The current
>>>> language in Section 8.5.7 is not clear with regard to additional IPv4 space.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Policy statement:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In Section 8.3:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Replace
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> “In addition to transfers under section 8.2, IPv4 numbers resources and
>>>> ASNs may be transferred according to the following conditions.”
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> with
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> “In addition to transfers under section 8.2, IPv4 address and/or ASN
>>>> resources may be transferred according to the following conditions.”
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Replace
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> “The source entity must be the current registered holder of the IPv4
>>>> address resources, and not be involved in any dispute as to the status of
>>>> those resources.”
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> with
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> “The source entity must be the current registered holder of the IPv4
>>>> address and/or ASN resources, and not be involved in any dispute as to the
>>>> status of those resources.”
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In Section 8.4:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Replace
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> “Inter-regional transfers of IPv4 number resources and ASNs may take
>>>> place only via RIRs who agree to the transfer and share reciprocal,
>>>> compatible needs-based policies.”
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> with
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> “Inter-regional transfers of IPv4 addresses and/or ASN resources may
>>>> take place only via RIRs who agree to the transfer and share reciprocal,
>>>> compatible needs-based policies.”
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Replace
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> “The source entity must be the current rights holder of the IPv4
>>>> address resources recognized by the RIR responsible for the resources, and
>>>> not be involved in any dispute as to the status of those resources.”
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> with
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> “The source entity must be the current rights holder of the IPv4
>>>> address and/or ASN resources recognized by the RIR responsible for the
>>>> resources, and not be involved in any dispute as to the status of those
>>>> resources.”
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In Section 8.5.6:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Replace
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> “Organizations with direct assignments or allocations from ARIN must
>>>> have efficiently utilized at least 50% of their cumulative IPv4 address
>>>> blocks in order to receive additional space. This includes all space
>>>> reassigned to their customers.”
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> with
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> “Organizations with direct assignments or allocations from ARIN must
>>>> have efficiently utilized at least 50% of their cumulative IPv4 address
>>>> blocks in order to receive additional IPv4 space. This includes all IPv4
>>>> space reassigned to their customers.”
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Comments:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> These changes were originally included in ARIN-edit-2021-1. Staff and
>>>> Legal review of ARIN-edit-2021-1 on June 14, 2021 indicated that some
>>>> changes were not editorial in nature. The editorial changes went forward in
>>>> ARIN-edit-2021-1 and the non-editorial changes are included here.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Timetable for implementation: Immediate
>>>>
>>>>
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