[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2021-7: Make Abuse Contact Useful

[John Curran]

Owen -

Feel free to engage in comparisons with the number resource policy in other regions.

While I believe it to be obvious, I will make the concern explicit for avoidance of any doubt: the referenced remarks went beyond discussion of comparative policy implications and rather contained "Statements that are slanderous or libelous, including making accusations of criminal conduct in the absence of an indictment or conviction.”  Such statements are specifically prohibited by the ARIN Mailing List AUP and are best avoided if one wishes to maintain the ability to post to the arin-ppml mailing list.

Thanks,
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers

On 27 Oct 2021, at 5:06 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com<mailto:owen at delong.com>> wrote:

I will point out that Jordi started the references to other regions in his post.

Owen


On Oct 27, 2021, at 13:11 , John Curran <jcurran at arin.net<mailto:jcurran at arin.net>> wrote:

Owen -

Please keep your comments focused on the draft policy under consideration – as Jordi notes below, opining on events in the other regions isn’t particularly germane to this policy discussion.

Thanks,
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers


On 27 Oct 2021, at 3:47 PM, Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml at arin.net<mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net>> wrote:
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Of course, now that the board has chosen to ensure that the appeal committee can’t possibly be independent or fair and is just an extension of the board, I’m not sure what the point is, just let the board ratify or not as the appeal committee has been rejiggered to ensure that they will do whatever the board wants anyway. The level of corruption and disdain for the community and the multistakeholder process displayed by the current AFRINIC board is truly outrageous. Hopefully the next election will see a great deal of new blood seated.

[Jordi] While I don’t agree in many things with the board, and I expressed it publicly, regardless of what AC is there, the PDP has not been followed in order to make the appeal valid (and the time to re-appeal has passed). Anyway, this is a different discussion.

Following the PDP and/or the bylaws or CPM would be a novel approach for AFRINIC these days. As such, I have little hope in any form of predictable process, though I suspect the result is highly predictable, and in favor of a vocal minority segment of the community that seems to have taken effective control of the AFRINIC board and thus since the board appears to feel unconstrained by process, policy, or even the bylaws or the companies act, by extension, AFRINIC itself.
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