[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2021-4: Clarifications to Sections 8.3, 8.4 and 8.5.6

Thu Oct 21 20:39:39 EDT 2021

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 14:53 Chris Woodfield <chris at semihuman.com> wrote:

> I support this edit, for same reasons others have mentioned.
>
> If I’m recalling yesterday’s presentation correctly, it was ARIN Staff and
> Legal, not the AC, that determined that this language could not be
> implemented an editorial change, so that’s not up for debate here.
>
> One possible adjustment that I’d like to suggest is that the term “IPv4
> and/or ASN resources” seems a bit awkward, given how many times it appears
> in the section. Perhaps we could add a new section that incorporates
> David’s suggested language, but also handles the clarification of the
> definition of number resources in a single place, scoped to Section 8.
>
> So, a new Section 8.1.1, which I’d propose would be named “Definitions”,
> could read as follows:
>
>
> All references to “number resources" in this section, unless stated
> otherwise, refer to IPv4 addresses and/or ASN resources.
>
> When number resources of multiple types, including IPv6 resources, are
> transferred, each resource type is considered separately and independently,
> both for any conditions on their transferability and the application of any
> restrictions following a transfer.
>
>
> Following this, the other edits to Section 8 in the proposal can simply be
> changed to “number resources” to suit.
>
> Opinions?
>
> -C
>

We’d be better off using defined terms. Easier to construct, but end up
being document global.

Warm regards,

-M<

>
> On Oct 21, 2021, at 11:23 AM, Martin Hannigan <hannigan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I agree with Owen re: the editorial nature of the changes. However, I
> support it moving forward. I don't support the Farmer suggestion. That is
> possibly a material change that should undergo the rigors of "the process"
> on its own.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> -M<
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 11:33 AM Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML <
> arin-ppml at arin.net> wrote:
>
>> I support this amendment.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>>
>> On Oct 20, 2021, at 12:45 , David Farmer via ARIN-PPML <
>> arin-ppml at arin.net> wrote:
>>
>> I support this proposal as currently written.
>>
>> However, regarding Kevin Blumberg's comment at the ARIN 48 discussion of
>> this policy earlier today; How about adding a paragraph like the following
>> to section 8.1, Principles;
>>
>> When number resources of multiple types, IPv4, IPv6, and/or ASNs, are
>> transferred, each resource type is considered separately and independently,
>> both for any conditions on their transferability and the application of any
>> restrictions following a transfer.
>>
>>
>> Something like this added to Section 8.1, Principles, along with the
>> already proposed changes should eliminate any possibility of confusion in
>> this regard.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 7:52 AM ARIN <info at arin.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 19 August 2021, the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted
>>> "ARIN-prop-299: Clarifications to Sections 8.3, 8.4 and 8.5.6" as a Draft
>>> Policy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Draft Policy ARIN-2021-4 is below and can be found at:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2021_4/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will
>>> evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this draft
>>> policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated
>>> in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration
>>>
>>> * Technically Sound
>>>
>>> * Supported by the Community
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The PDP can be found at:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:
>>>
>>> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sean Hopkins
>>>
>>> Senior Policy Analyst
>>>
>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Draft Policy ARIN-2021-4: Clarifications to Sections 8.3, 8.4 and 8.5.6
>>>
>>>
>>> Problem Statement:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The current language in Sections 8.3 and 8.4 is not clear regarding
>>> ASN-only transactions as well as the term “number resources”. The current
>>> language in Section 8.5.7 is not clear with regard to additional IPv4 space.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Policy statement:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In Section 8.3:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Replace
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> “In addition to transfers under section 8.2, IPv4 numbers resources and
>>> ASNs may be transferred according to the following conditions.”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> with
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> “In addition to transfers under section 8.2, IPv4 address and/or ASN
>>> resources may be transferred according to the following conditions.”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Replace
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> “The source entity must be the current registered holder of the IPv4
>>> address resources, and not be involved in any dispute as to the status of
>>> those resources.”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> with
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> “The source entity must be the current registered holder of the IPv4
>>> address and/or ASN resources, and not be involved in any dispute as to the
>>> status of those resources.”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In Section 8.4:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Replace
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> “Inter-regional transfers of IPv4 number resources and ASNs may take
>>> place only via RIRs who agree to the transfer and share reciprocal,
>>> compatible needs-based policies.”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> with
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> “Inter-regional transfers of IPv4 addresses and/or ASN resources may
>>> take place only via RIRs who agree to the transfer and share reciprocal,
>>> compatible needs-based policies.”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Replace
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> “The source entity must be the current rights holder of the IPv4 address
>>> resources recognized by the RIR responsible for the resources, and not be
>>> involved in any dispute as to the status of those resources.”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> with
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> “The source entity must be the current rights holder of the IPv4 address
>>> and/or ASN resources recognized by the RIR responsible for the resources,
>>> and not be involved in any dispute as to the status of those resources.”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In Section 8.5.6:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Replace
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> “Organizations with direct assignments or allocations from ARIN must
>>> have efficiently utilized at least 50% of their cumulative IPv4 address
>>> blocks in order to receive additional space. This includes all space
>>> reassigned to their customers.”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> with
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> “Organizations with direct assignments or allocations from ARIN must
>>> have efficiently utilized at least 50% of their cumulative IPv4 address
>>> blocks in order to receive additional IPv4 space. This includes all IPv4
>>> space reassigned to their customers.”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Comments:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> These changes were originally included in ARIN-edit-2021-1. Staff and
>>> Legal review of ARIN-edit-2021-1 on June 14, 2021 indicated that some
>>> changes were not editorial in nature. The editorial changes went forward in
>>> ARIN-edit-2021-1 and the non-editorial changes are included here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Timetable for implementation: Immediate
>>>
>>>
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