[arin-ppml] Revised - Draft Policy ARIN-2020-8: Clarify and Update Annual Renewal Fee

Fernando Frediani fhfrediani at gmail.com
Sun Jan 17 09:57:26 EST 2021

Sorry correcting a typo, I meant at the end "otherwise policies would 
tend to be made directed to benefit only as subset of Internet 
participants in the region."


On 17/01/2021 11:53, Fernando Frediani wrote:
> Hello Michael
> I don't agree with John's view that if Board would decide to do this 
> it would still make ARIN compatible with ICANN's ICP-2 specially 
> Section 3 simply because Board represents only members not the 
> community and having a body elected only by the members which is one 
> of the interested parties in the process excluding community then.
> Regarding ARIN's bylaws Section 2 that mentions "transparent 
> multi-stakeholder process" it will depend how it is interpreted who 
> are the stakeholders and if that includes community as well.
> John - thanks for engaging in this discussion and bringing your view, 
> but knowing how the RIR ecosystem and other RIRs work in that sense, 
> reading the ICP-2 it doesn't make sense the idea that Board could make 
> and adopt policies by itself without involvement of the community. If 
> in ARIN that can be considered legal, if it would ever start happening 
> that could bring up doubts of about compatibility with ICP-2 in the 
> sense I mentioned above. There are reasons community can never be 
> excluded from policy making process (even in emergency situations), 
> otherwise policies multi-stakeholder directed to benefit only as 
> subset of Internet participants in the region.
> Regards
> Fernando
> On 17/01/2021 09:48, Michael B. Williams wrote:
>> Hi John,
>> Just to be clear though my understanding is that despite the PDP 
>> being in place and the board principally following the process, there 
>> is no requirement to do so. The board could decide for any reason to 
>> implement or change a policy even if it was not an emergency 
>> situation or warrant an urgent need. I just think this needs to be 
>> made clear to the community that the PDP is a process used to help 
>> inform the boards decision making and is non-binding. While the board 
>> generally adheres to the recommendations they are able to institute 
>> any policy, reject any policy, or decide that today they did not feel 
>> like using the PDP simply because they did not want to.
>> Regards,
>> Michael
>> On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 23:33 John Curran <jcurran at arin.net 
>> <mailto:jcurran at arin.net>> wrote:
>>     On 17 Jan 2021, at 4:16 AM, Michael B. Williams
>>     <Michael.Williams at glexia.com
>>     <mailto:Michael.Williams at glexia.com>> wrote:
>>     >
>>     > Fernando -
>>     >
>>     > I don’t believe this is correct. The board, from my reading, is
>>     able to make and adopt without any other input or approval from
>>     anyone else any policy they deem appropriate fair and fit for
>>     internet number and resource allocation.
>>     >
>>     > John Curran - please correct me if I’m wrong here but the board
>>     could make and adopt policies without any community input or
>>     consideration if it so desired. Just because the board chooses
>>     to, as a general matter of principle, does not make this binding
>>     Michael -
>>     You are correct - the ARIN Board can make (or suspend) policy
>>     without any input or approval if need be, but the Board has
>>     adopted the ARIN Policy Development Process that reserves such
>>     acts for emergency situations.  Accountability to the ARIN
>>     community is maintained via the ARIN members collective power to
>>     elect and remove Board members.
>>     Best wishes,
>>     /John
>>     John Curran
>>     President and CEO
>>     American Registry for Internet Numbers
>> -- 
>> Sent from Gmail Mobile
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