[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2: Grandfathering of Organizations Removed from Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16

Fernando Frediani fhfrediani at gmail.com
Fri Jan 15 15:33:37 EST 2021

Yes we are, mainly when there are tentatives to push something that 
hasn't been broadly accepted by the community as many other proposals 
that didn't progress.

If a proposal doesn't reach consensus is probably because it didn't 
resolve all the possible issues it had during the discussion period 
regardless of how many people supported it.

And by the way: there are absolutely nothing wrong in dismissing 
supports when they have no substantial justifications to contribute to 
resolve the opened issues. That's what is evaluated by the AC.
Otherwise we may end up having supports to proposals "because once the 
person visited the author's company and they give free beers to visitors".

Process keep being bottom-up, everyone is free to write whatever opinion 
they have and others that don't agree with it or don't consider that as 
something that resolves opened issues have also the right to contradict 


On 15/01/2021 17:21, Mike Burns wrote:
> Count me as embarrassed at the treatment of new posters on this list.
> Demeaned as recipients of payments for expressing their opinion, 
> mocked for offering support without establishing bona fides.
> Dismissed because no reasoning is provided in support of their opinions.
> And finally attacked when they do.
> I hope the Trustees who will make this decision are aware of the 
> importance of bottom-up, stakeholder governance, and realize these 
> numerous expressions of support might be the first steps of these 
> posters towards the kind of ongoing community participation we claim 
> to value.
> Aren’t we all sick of the same voices?
> Regards,
> Mike Burns
> PS ARIN does not require resource holders use NAT, much less CGNAT.
> If you feel that should be a requirement, write a policy proposal.
> *From:* ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> *On Behalf Of *Robert 
> Clarke
> *Sent:* Friday, January 15, 2021 2:55 PM
> *To:* Jay Wendelin <jmw at poweredbystl.com>
> *Cc:* arin-ppml at arin.net
> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2: Grandfathering of 
> Organizations Removed from Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16
> Isn't this like saying "please give me free land so I can lease it 
> onto schools and other noble public institutions?"
> I don't feel like this argument has weight nor does your business take 
> priority over the actual non profit businesses that won't get 
> allocations because of this policy.
> Regards,
> Robert
>     On Jan 15, 2021, at 8:29 AM, Jay Wendelin <jmw at poweredbystl.com
>     <mailto:jmw at poweredbystl.com>> wrote:
>     I support this petition, I have many Public School Clients that
>     rely on their ISP’s to manage and offer IP address.
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