[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2: Grandfathering of Organizations Removed from Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16

Mark Kiwiet mark at kkworx.com
Fri Jan 15 14:46:36 EST 2021


I don't deny that there is

- A big problem and IPv6 is the future
- We really ARE running out of public IPv4 numbers

But I think the marketplace will sort it out. When IPv4 becomes more and
more expensive - all of those wasted IPv4s will find a market.

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 1:07 PM Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I am be wrong, but sometimes I feel that some people either don't
> understand the issue of IPv4 exhaustion and keep believing everything will
> always be sorted out. Even worst, some seem to believe that if they have a
> noble justification ARIN will keep issuing them with more IPv4 and all
> that's necessary for that is a policy in place.
>
> Other seems to go in the direction of "I support it because my supplier
> (or customer) needs it in order that I can keep doing business with him" -
> forgetting that policies are not made to fulfill individual or fewer
> business needs among the totality of members that use those limited
> resources.
>
> I do understand the reasoning of some that mentioned that point about
> being removed from the list, however that was not done on propose against
> those individual institutions but given the circumstances and in order to
> benefit the majority of existing and new members in a more fair possible
> way.
>
> Regards
> Fernando
> On 15/01/2021 15:56, hostmaster at uneedus.com wrote:
>
> All major operating systems and major brands of networking gear have IPv6
> enabled.  In fact, the latest windows server networking requires IPv6, and
> features will fail if you were to turn IPv6 off.
>
> I understand good designs can be done with IPv4 with little or no
> configuration.  In fact the CPE of most major ISP's today have BOTH IPv4
> dhcp blocks preconfigured, as well as assignment of IPv6 to all attached
> network devices by SLAAC and/or DHCPv6, leaving nearly no configuration to
> set up a single node network.
>
> Thus, if setting up a new network, it actually takes MORE work to get rid
> of IPv6 to form an IPv4 only network, rather than simply using the
> preconfigured setup which is dual stack.
>
> There are already nodes on the internet that are IPv6 ONLY. This will
> become more common as time goes on.  Not going with the default dual stack
> setup will cut your users from access to these services.  Eventually we
> will reach a tipping point, after which IPv4 services will start to
> disappear. Also, the devices do not have to do NAT for IPv6, reducing the
> load on routers.  In todays world, turning on IPv6 will result in more than
> half of the traffic routing via IPv6 bypassing the NAT. It also future
> proofs your network.
>
> Albert Erdmann
> Network Administrator
> Paradise On Line Inc.
>
> On Fri, 15 Jan 2021, Mark Kiwiet wrote:
>
> Inside/Private network space will probably always be IPv4.   I don't
> understand why you would deal with IPv6 on the inside - you have the entire
> freaking
> class A of 10.0.0.0/8 to design around - and make beautiful designs as
> well.
>
> Unless you're running a NOC or a Web Server Farm - you really don't need
> more than 1 Public IP address for even 500+ private surfing endpoints.
>  Outside of
> standard ports like TCP/25 - you can overload a single IP address with
> hundreds of high random ports.
>
> Right now - the biggest public IPv4 issue is waste.   There are tons of
> public IPv4's that are not used because they are part of an overallocated
> customer
> block.
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 10:51 AM <hostmaster at uneedus.com>
> <hostmaster at uneedus.com> wrote:
>       What expensive technology are you talking about?  Windows has had
> IPv6
>       since Windows 2000.  Ditto with Apple or Chromebooks or any other
> tech
>       that is commonly used in schools.
>
>       Use of RFC1918 Ipv4 addresses is quite common in every school I have
> ever
>       dealt with. Even at the university level, it is very uncommon to
> assign
>       workstations to public IPv4 addresses, and some form of NAT is used
> for
>       IPv4 access via common public addresses with or without a proxy.
>
>       Albert Erdmann
>       Network Administrator
>       Paradise On Line Inc.
>
>       On Fri, 15 Jan 2021, Jay Wendelin wrote:
>
>       >
>       > You would have to ask the ISP’s themselves.  My Schools will not
> want to be involved at all nor will we want to implement new and expensive
>       technologies for
>       > ip6.
>       >
>       >
>       >
>       >
>       >
>       > cidimage001.png at 01D698CE.05CAF3C0
>       >
>       > Jay Wendelin
>       >
>       > Chief Information Officer
>       >
>       > Cell: 309-657-5303
>       >
>       > jmw at poweredbystl.com
>       >
>       > cidimage002.png at 01D698CE.05CAF3C0
> cidimage003.png at 01D698CE.05CAF3C0 cidimage004.png at 01D698CE.05CAF3C0
>       >
>       >
>       >
>       >
>       >
>       > From: Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com>
> <fhfrediani at gmail.com>
>       > Date: Friday, January 15, 2021 at 10:36 AM
>       > To: Jay Wendelin <jmw at poweredbystl.com> <jmw at poweredbystl.com>
>       > Cc: arin-ppml <arin-ppml at arin.net> <arin-ppml at arin.net>
>       > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2: Grandfathering
> of Organizations Removed from Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16
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>       > Didn't these ISPs in 2021 not invest IPv6 deployment and good
> CGNAT techniques and they rely only on keep getting more addresses from
> ARIN ?
>       >
>       >
>       >
>       > Fernando
>       >
>       > On Fri, 15 Jan 2021, 13:29 Jay Wendelin, <jmw at poweredbystl.com>
> <jmw at poweredbystl.com> wrote:
>       >
>       >       I support this petition, I have many Public School Clients
> that rely on their ISP’s to manage and offer IP address.
>       >
>       >
>       >
>       >       Jay Wendelin
>       >
>       >       CIO
>       >
>       >       STL/BTS
>       >
>       >
>       >
>       >       cidimage001.png at 01D698CE.05CAF3C0
>       >
>       >       Jay Wendelin
>       >
>       >       Chief Information Officer
>       >
>       >       Cell: 309-657-5303
>       >
>       >       jmw at poweredbystl.com
>       >
>       >       cidimage002.png at 01D698CE.05CAF3C0
> cidimage003.png at 01D698CE.05CAF3C0 cidimage004.png at 01D698CE.05CAF3C0
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