[arin-ppml] Open Petition for ARIN-2020-2

Michael B. Williams Michael.Williams at glexia.com
Thu Jan 14 13:37:54 EST 2021


I'd be very interested to know this as well...

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On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 1:28 PM <scott at solarnetone.org> wrote:

> Hi Alyssa,
>
> On Thu, 14 Jan 2021, Alyssa Moore wrote:
>
> > Right - this is what I was trying to get at with my first response.
> >
> > The next disbursement would fulfill the requests of all of those 26
> > organizations who would be reinstated if this policy passed, plus
> everyone
> > else presently on the waiting list. This was the information provided to
> the
> > Advisory Council in the October and November meetings. John Curran or
> > Sweeting can confirm whether this remains true.
>
> Thank you.  What inventory would remain after such an action?  What is the
> present and expected "burn rate" of said inventory from new requests to
> the wait list, notwithstanding the petition at hand?  It seems to me that
> it is in the best interest of the community as a whole if that inventory
> lasts as long as possible, which appears to be the intent of the existing
> policy; rationing of addresses to the waitlist by limiting requests by
> block size.  If these 26 orgs were to get their allocations as requested,
> how much "runway" is taken away, at present and expected "burn rate?"
>
> Hypothetical example for clarity:  there are presently 10K addresses,
> being allocated at 100/month(burn rate), giving us 100 months of normal,
> uninterrupted operation(runway).  5K addresses are requested by legacy
> waitlisters.  this cuts runway in half.  my concern speaks more to the
> longevity of the mechanism than effects on those presently participating.
>
> Scott
>
>
> >
> > I believe a few of the other 26 affected orgs have chimed in during the
> > discussion of this proposal.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 9:59 AM <scott at solarnetone.org> wrote:
> >       Hi Alyssa,
> >
> >       On Thu, 14 Jan 2021, Alyssa Moore wrote:
> >
> >       > Ah, of course! My apologies. The answer to that is: 26
> >       organizations would
> >       > be reinstated if this policy went through.
> >
> >       Thank you. Have we heard from the other 25?  If all of these
> >       were
> >       fulfilled, what percentage of existing inventory would be
> >       consumed.  All
> >       of it?  It seems reasonable to me that the same kinds of
> >       considerations
> >       apply in this case as "2 packages of toilet paper per customer"
> >       when the
> >       pandemic hit.  This feeling becomes particularly acute when
> >       considering
> >       both that the waitlist address pool was only replenished after
> >       the
> >       recovery of addresses from those who acquired them fraudulently,
> >       and that
> >       precedent to that, the waitlist mechanism suffered from no
> >       available
> >       inventory.
> >
> >       I will, however, reserve voicing an opinion until I fully
> >       understand the
> >       effects of the outcome on the available address pool, in both
> >       scenarios.
> >
> >       Thanks,
> >       Scott
> >
> >
> >       >
> >       > On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 9:32 AM <scott at solarnetone.org> wrote:
> >       >       Hi Alyssa,
> >       >
> >       >       Good to speak with you.  Perhaps I mispoke... how many
> >       >       organizations were
> >       >       removed from the waitlist and are still seeking larger
> >       >       allocations?  If
> >       >       my understanding of the original issue appears unclear,
> >       please
> >       >       enlighten
> >       >       me!
> >       >
> >       >       I am trying to determine if orgs other than the
> >       petitioner were
> >       >       effected; if so, how many, and what effect that would
> >       have on
> >       >       ARIN's
> >       >       related inventory of addresses allocatable via the
> >       waitlist (not
> >       >       including
> >       >       4.10s, etc.).
> >       >
> >       >       Thanks,
> >       >       Scott
> >       >
> >       >       On Thu, 14 Jan 2021, Alyssa Moore wrote:
> >       >
> >       >       > Hi Scott,
> >       >       >
> >       >       > Anita Nikolich (AC member) answered this on Dec 16:
> >       >       >
> >       >       > >Please note (and you can refer to the Nov AC minutes)
> >       >       that organizations
> >       >       > that are currently on the waitlist won’t be affected,
> >       because
> >       >       the next
> >       >       > disbursement of v4 would fulfill all the exempted orgs
> >       as well
> >       >       as the ones
> >       >       > remaining on the list. The overall impact to the
> >       current
> >       >       waitlist is
> >       >       > non-existent from these requests.
> >       >       >
> >       >       > On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 9:21 AM
> >       <scott at solarnetone.org> wrote:
> >       >       >       Hi John,
> >       >       >
> >       >       >       In these deliberations, I think it would be
> >       useful to
> >       >       know how
> >       >       >       many actual
> >       >       >       ARIN Member Organizations would be effected.  I
> >       am not
> >       >       talking
> >       >       >       about
> >       >       >       downstream customers, affiliates, or the like,
> >       but only
> >       >       resource
> >       >       >       holders
> >       >       >       on the actual waitlist.  Does John Sweeting have
> >       any
> >       >       metrics as
> >       >       >       to this?
> >       >       >       Further, if all effected organizations were to
> >       receive
> >       >       the
> >       >       >       allocations
> >       >       >       they are seeking, what percentage of the
> >       available
> >       >       address
> >       >       >       inventory would
> >       >       >       be immediately exhausted?
> >       >       >
> >       >       >       Thanks,
> >       >       >       Scott
> >       >       >
> >       >       >       On Thu, 14 Jan 2021, John Curran wrote:
> >       >       >
> >       >       >       > On 14 Jan 2021, at 11:00 AM, Michael B.
> >       Williams
> >       >       >       > <Michael.Williams at glexia.com> wrote:
> >       >       >       >
> >       >       >       >       How does ARIN analyze the response from
> >       this? Is
> >       >       there
> >       >       >       weight
> >       >       >       >       given only to ARIN member organizations
> >       or any
> >       >       >       organization? If
> >       >       >       >       anyone is given consideration, what is
> >       to stop
> >       >       people
> >       >       >       from
> >       >       >       >       lobbying individuals and other
> >       organizations to
> >       >       send an
> >       >       >       email to
> >       >       >       >       support their agenda? For example, I
> >       could very
> >       >       easily
> >       >       >       find 500
> >       >       >       >       people to respond to this email saying
> >       they do
> >       >       not
> >       >       >       support the
> >       >       >       >       policy. If I were a malicious actor
> >       trying to
> >       >       influence
> >       >       >       policy
> >       >       >       >       discussion and were to offer some sort
> >       of
> >       >       incentive for
> >       >       >       those to
> >       >       >       >       reply I could easily have thousands of
> >       >       organizations
> >       >       >       supporting
> >       >       >       >       this policy one way or another.
> >       >       >       >
> >       >       >       > My feelings would be the majority of the
> >       weight should
> >       >       be
> >       >       >       given to
> >       >       >       > ARIN member organizations voices as part of
> >       the
> >       >       tallying
> >       >       >       process. If
> >       >       >       > that is the case, perhaps we should ask those
> >       >       organizations to
> >       >       >       include
> >       >       >       > their ARIN org id?
> >       >       >       >
> >       >       >       >
> >       >       >       > Michael -
> >       >       >       >
> >       >       >       > The ARIN Policy Development Process specifies
> >       the
> >       >       petition
> >       >       >       appeal process,
> >       >       >       > and the sole criteria for a successful
> >       petition is
> >       >       expressions
> >       >       >       of support
> >       >       >       > from at least 25 different people from 25
> >       different
> >       >       >       organizations.
> >       >       >       >
> >       >       >       > Note that a successful petition simply means
> >       that the
> >       >       policy –
> >       >       >       without any
> >       >       >       > recommendation of adoption from the ARIN
> >       Advisory
> >       >       Council –
> >       >       >       will be sent to
> >       >       >       > the ARIN Board of Trustees for their
> >       consideration of
> >       >       possible
> >       >       >       adoption.
> >       >       >       >  Also note that for the purpose of determining
> >       >       petition
> >       >       >       success, ARIN staff
> >       >       >       > will only be counting those messages which
> >       clearly
> >       >       indicate
> >       >       >       support for the
> >       >       >       > petition and include both the submitters name
> >       and
> >       >       their
> >       >       >       organization.
> >       >       >       >
> >       >       >       > The ARIN Board is on the ARIN Public Policy
> >       Mailing
> >       >       List, and
> >       >       >       will see any
> >       >       >       > discussion of substantial merits or concerns
> >       with the
> >       >       policy.
> >       >       >       Each trustee
> >       >       >       > is free to weight such input as they see fit,
> >       but at
> >       >       this
> >       >       >       point it is not a
> >       >       >       > numerical question – as we are not seeking a
> >       poll of
> >       >       support
> >       >       >       or opposition
> >       >       >       > to the policy – but rather simply whether at
> >       least 25
> >       >       >       organizations feel
> >       >       >       > (despite the ARIN AC’s decision not to
> >       recommend) that
> >       >       policy
> >       >       >       warrants
> >       >       >       > consideration by the ARIN Board of Trustees.
> >       >       >       >
> >       >       >       > Thanks,
> >       >       >       > /John
> >       >       >       >
> >       >       >       > John Curran
> >       >       >       > President and CEO
> >       >       >       > American Registry for Internet Numbers
> >       >       >       >
> >       >       >       >
> >       >       >       >
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