[arin-ppml] Open Petition for ARIN-2020-2

Michael B. Williams Michael.Williams at glexia.com
Thu Jan 14 12:27:34 EST 2021


Thank you. This is helpful and I am glad that the board is able to form
their own opinion of the responses and are not bound by the voting or
suggestions on the list.

Out of curiosity, aside for good morals, what is to stop a company from
internally suggesting that their employees respond to this PPLM vote in
their individual unaffiliated status with support for the company's request
for consideration?

As far as I understand it individuals are free to contribute to the PPML as
unaffiliated individuals especially since individuals themselves are also
able to hold internet number resources. In this instance, each of the
company's/organization's employees or even clients for that matter could
come here supporting the request for consideration and qualify as
"individual" entities that count towards the 25 person limit and as long as
they do not respond on behalf of the company their votes would count
towards the require number for reconsideration.

While I have not seen this process abused in the past, my thought is that
it's ripe for abuse should bad actors come into play. Given the significant
cost associated with number resources now we have seen more incentive for
bad actors (as we all observed over the past year).

I'd hope the board will consider going forward altering how the "votes" are
tallied for consideration otherwise anyone who is unhappy with any decision
made by any part of ARIN will be appealing to the board and tying up their
valuable time with sometimes fruitless and baseless claims. I want to
caviet I am not suggesting that this appeal falls into that category, but
it's got me thinking.

To point out, right now you could have 25 individuals who have absolutely
no incentive or even care how this policy goes one way or another pushing
policy towards reconsideration. At least if the 25 votes had to come from
member organizations/individuals we would know the people have "skin in the
game" as the policies of ARIN directly impact them. From a theoretical
perspective there's nothing stopping someone from posting on their social
media "Hi friends send ARIN PPML an email for me it'll help my company"

Again, I suppose and hope the board will see through this and not let
baseless reconsideration requests tie up their valuable time, but the fact
that it is possible also scares me.

Regards,

Michael

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On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 12:03 PM Paul Andersen - ARIN <paul at arin.net> wrote:

> Michael,
>
> It may be useful to delineate the two elements of the process in the PDP
> and how they will be conducted.
>
> The current stage is that staff are counting the number of individuals
> that voice support for the policy in question to be moved to the Board of
> Trustees for consideration. The PDP has always kept low thresholds for
> petition processes as a petition doesn’t automatically adopt a policy but
> simply advances it further in the process.  At this point, staff are only
> evaluating the criteria that there be 25 individuals in the time period
> indicated and that those individuals not be from the same organization to
> determine if the petition is successful.
>
> If the threshold is met the policy will be put before the Board of
> Trustees for consideration. The Board does not “count” the votes when
> weighing community support or the policy. The Board instead will need to
> weigh quite a bit of data against the Principles of Internet Number
> Resource Policy stated in the PDP and this includes community support. The
> Board will ultimately come to its own view as to whether the policy change
> meets the criteria, as a successful petition simply brings it before them
> for consideration.
>
> The Board (and staff) are observing this process and comments on the list
> will be considered. The community (including the AC) should feel free to,
> and are fact highly encouraged to, engage in meaningful discussion of
> the merits of the policy. If members of the community have questions for
> other community members they are free to ask those. The only reminder is
> any such discussion MUST follow the ARIN Mailing List Appropriate Usage
> Policy.
>
> The Board appreciates all those who engage in this process and strongly
> encourages everyone in the community to engage here. Our decision process
> is always enhanced by plentiful community input.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul
>
>> Paul Andersen, P. Eng
> Chair, ARIN Board of Trustees
> paul at arin.net
>
> On Jan 14, 2021, at 11:00 AM, Michael B. Williams <
> Michael.Williams at glexia.com> wrote:
>
> Question for ARIN Employees/ others on PPLM -
>
> How does ARIN analyze the response from this? Is there weight given only
> to ARIN member organizations or any organization? If anyone is given
> consideration, what is to stop people from lobbying individuals and other
> organizations to send an email to support their agenda? For example, I
> could very easily find 500 people to respond to this email saying they do
> not support the policy. If I were a malicious actor trying to influence
> policy discussion and were to offer some sort of incentive for those to
> reply I could easily have thousands of organizations supporting this policy
> one way or another.
>
> My feelings would be the majority of the weight should be given to ARIN
> member organizations voices as part of the tallying process. If that is the
> case, perhaps we should ask those organizations to include their ARIN org
> id?
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *Michael B. Williams*
> Glexia, Inc. - An IT Company
> USA Direct: +1 978 477 6797
> USA Toll Free: +1 800 675 0297 x101
> AUS Direct: +61 3 8594 2265
> AUS Toll Free: +61 1800 931 724 x101
> Fax: +1.815-301-5570
> Michael.Williams at glexia.com
> https://www.glexia.com/
> https://www.glexia.com.au/
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>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 9:17 AM ARIN <info at arin.net> wrote:
>
>> A petition has been initiated for the following:
>>
>>
>>
>> ARIN-2020-2: Reinstatement of Organizations Removed from Waitlist by
>> Implementation of ARIN-2019-16
>>
>>
>>
>> ARIN-2020-2 reverted to Draft Policy on 6 January following a Last Call
>> period. Per ARIN's Policy Development Process (PDP), all Recommended Draft
>> Policies not sent to the ARIN Board of Trustees for adoption consideration
>> within 60 days of Last Call completion will revert to Draft Policy status.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone may take part in this petition. Per ARIN's PDP, a petition for
>> Board of Trustees adoption consideration will require support from 25
>> individuals from 25 distinct organizations to be considered successful.
>>
>>
>>
>> To support this petition for Board of Trustees adoption consideration of
>> ARIN-2020-2, simply send a response to the Public Policy Mailing list
>> indicating your support and including your full name and organization.
>>
>>
>>
>> This petition window will remain open for five days, closing 16 January.
>>
>>
>>
>> If successful by the end of the five-day period, the petition details and
>> results will be forwarded to the Board of Trustees for adoption
>> consideration at their next meeting.
>>
>>
>>
>> For more information on the PDP, visit:
>> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Sean Hopkins
>>
>> Policy Analyst
>>
>> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
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