[arin-ppml] Open Petition for ARIN-2020-2
Michael B. Williams
Michael.Williams at glexia.com
Thu Jan 14 13:37:54 EST 2021
I'd be very interested to know this as well...
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On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 1:28 PM <scott at solarnetone.org> wrote:
> Hi Alyssa,
>
> On Thu, 14 Jan 2021, Alyssa Moore wrote:
>
> > Right - this is what I was trying to get at with my first response.
> >
> > The next disbursement would fulfill the requests of all of those 26
> > organizations who would be reinstated if this policy passed, plus
> everyone
> > else presently on the waiting list. This was the information provided to
> the
> > Advisory Council in the October and November meetings. John Curran or
> > Sweeting can confirm whether this remains true.
>
> Thank you. What inventory would remain after such an action? What is the
> present and expected "burn rate" of said inventory from new requests to
> the wait list, notwithstanding the petition at hand? It seems to me that
> it is in the best interest of the community as a whole if that inventory
> lasts as long as possible, which appears to be the intent of the existing
> policy; rationing of addresses to the waitlist by limiting requests by
> block size. If these 26 orgs were to get their allocations as requested,
> how much "runway" is taken away, at present and expected "burn rate?"
>
> Hypothetical example for clarity: there are presently 10K addresses,
> being allocated at 100/month(burn rate), giving us 100 months of normal,
> uninterrupted operation(runway). 5K addresses are requested by legacy
> waitlisters. this cuts runway in half. my concern speaks more to the
> longevity of the mechanism than effects on those presently participating.
>
> Scott
>
>
> >
> > I believe a few of the other 26 affected orgs have chimed in during the
> > discussion of this proposal.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 9:59 AM <scott at solarnetone.org> wrote:
> > Hi Alyssa,
> >
> > On Thu, 14 Jan 2021, Alyssa Moore wrote:
> >
> > > Ah, of course! My apologies. The answer to that is: 26
> > organizations would
> > > be reinstated if this policy went through.
> >
> > Thank you. Have we heard from the other 25? If all of these
> > were
> > fulfilled, what percentage of existing inventory would be
> > consumed. All
> > of it? It seems reasonable to me that the same kinds of
> > considerations
> > apply in this case as "2 packages of toilet paper per customer"
> > when the
> > pandemic hit. This feeling becomes particularly acute when
> > considering
> > both that the waitlist address pool was only replenished after
> > the
> > recovery of addresses from those who acquired them fraudulently,
> > and that
> > precedent to that, the waitlist mechanism suffered from no
> > available
> > inventory.
> >
> > I will, however, reserve voicing an opinion until I fully
> > understand the
> > effects of the outcome on the available address pool, in both
> > scenarios.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Scott
> >
> >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 9:32 AM <scott at solarnetone.org> wrote:
> > > Hi Alyssa,
> > >
> > > Good to speak with you. Perhaps I mispoke... how many
> > > organizations were
> > > removed from the waitlist and are still seeking larger
> > > allocations? If
> > > my understanding of the original issue appears unclear,
> > please
> > > enlighten
> > > me!
> > >
> > > I am trying to determine if orgs other than the
> > petitioner were
> > > effected; if so, how many, and what effect that would
> > have on
> > > ARIN's
> > > related inventory of addresses allocatable via the
> > waitlist (not
> > > including
> > > 4.10s, etc.).
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Scott
> > >
> > > On Thu, 14 Jan 2021, Alyssa Moore wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Scott,
> > > >
> > > > Anita Nikolich (AC member) answered this on Dec 16:
> > > >
> > > > >Please note (and you can refer to the Nov AC minutes)
> > > that organizations
> > > > that are currently on the waitlist won’t be affected,
> > because
> > > the next
> > > > disbursement of v4 would fulfill all the exempted orgs
> > as well
> > > as the ones
> > > > remaining on the list. The overall impact to the
> > current
> > > waitlist is
> > > > non-existent from these requests.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 9:21 AM
> > <scott at solarnetone.org> wrote:
> > > > Hi John,
> > > >
> > > > In these deliberations, I think it would be
> > useful to
> > > know how
> > > > many actual
> > > > ARIN Member Organizations would be effected. I
> > am not
> > > talking
> > > > about
> > > > downstream customers, affiliates, or the like,
> > but only
> > > resource
> > > > holders
> > > > on the actual waitlist. Does John Sweeting have
> > any
> > > metrics as
> > > > to this?
> > > > Further, if all effected organizations were to
> > receive
> > > the
> > > > allocations
> > > > they are seeking, what percentage of the
> > available
> > > address
> > > > inventory would
> > > > be immediately exhausted?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Scott
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 14 Jan 2021, John Curran wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 14 Jan 2021, at 11:00 AM, Michael B.
> > Williams
> > > > > <Michael.Williams at glexia.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > How does ARIN analyze the response from
> > this? Is
> > > there
> > > > weight
> > > > > given only to ARIN member organizations
> > or any
> > > > organization? If
> > > > > anyone is given consideration, what is
> > to stop
> > > people
> > > > from
> > > > > lobbying individuals and other
> > organizations to
> > > send an
> > > > email to
> > > > > support their agenda? For example, I
> > could very
> > > easily
> > > > find 500
> > > > > people to respond to this email saying
> > they do
> > > not
> > > > support the
> > > > > policy. If I were a malicious actor
> > trying to
> > > influence
> > > > policy
> > > > > discussion and were to offer some sort
> > of
> > > incentive for
> > > > those to
> > > > > reply I could easily have thousands of
> > > organizations
> > > > supporting
> > > > > this policy one way or another.
> > > > >
> > > > > My feelings would be the majority of the
> > weight should
> > > be
> > > > given to
> > > > > ARIN member organizations voices as part of
> > the
> > > tallying
> > > > process. If
> > > > > that is the case, perhaps we should ask those
> > > organizations to
> > > > include
> > > > > their ARIN org id?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael -
> > > > >
> > > > > The ARIN Policy Development Process specifies
> > the
> > > petition
> > > > appeal process,
> > > > > and the sole criteria for a successful
> > petition is
> > > expressions
> > > > of support
> > > > > from at least 25 different people from 25
> > different
> > > > organizations.
> > > > >
> > > > > Note that a successful petition simply means
> > that the
> > > policy –
> > > > without any
> > > > > recommendation of adoption from the ARIN
> > Advisory
> > > Council –
> > > > will be sent to
> > > > > the ARIN Board of Trustees for their
> > consideration of
> > > possible
> > > > adoption.
> > > > > Also note that for the purpose of determining
> > > petition
> > > > success, ARIN staff
> > > > > will only be counting those messages which
> > clearly
> > > indicate
> > > > support for the
> > > > > petition and include both the submitters name
> > and
> > > their
> > > > organization.
> > > > >
> > > > > The ARIN Board is on the ARIN Public Policy
> > Mailing
> > > List, and
> > > > will see any
> > > > > discussion of substantial merits or concerns
> > with the
> > > policy.
> > > > Each trustee
> > > > > is free to weight such input as they see fit,
> > but at
> > > this
> > > > point it is not a
> > > > > numerical question – as we are not seeking a
> > poll of
> > > support
> > > > or opposition
> > > > > to the policy – but rather simply whether at
> > least 25
> > > > organizations feel
> > > > > (despite the ARIN AC’s decision not to
> > recommend) that
> > > policy
> > > > warrants
> > > > > consideration by the ARIN Board of Trustees.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > /John
> > > > >
> > > > > John Curran
> > > > > President and CEO
> > > > > American Registry for Internet Numbers
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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