[arin-ppml] Last Call - Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2: Reinstatement of Organizations Removed from Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16

Andrew Dul andrew.dul at quark.net
Thu Oct 22 11:41:20 EDT 2020


This draft policy while allowing 26 organizations which have up /18 in
holdings to obtain a /22 under this policy, blocks 11 organizations
which had more than a /18 and thus are not eligible to obtain a /22 even
though they waited in line too.   By the logic below this policy isn't
fair to these 11 organizations.  They waited in line too.

While I understand why these organizations would support this policy,
its in their direct monetary interest.

I still believe the AC got the new policy right by limiting the
wait-list to smaller organizations (which hold a /20 or less).  The
wait-list was never a guarantee of getting address space. 

I still don't support this policy.

For the record...ARIN staff didn't bring this policy, member(s) of the
Internet community started this policy proposal.  They were right to do
so and the discussion is certainly worthwhile.  But the Internet
community develops policy via the PDP not ARIN staff.  
https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/

Andrew

On 10/22/2020 6:50 AM, Brandt, Jason via ARIN-PPML wrote:
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> It has nothing to do with current allocations or shortages.  It has
> everything to do with proper application of current policy and
> honoring existing policy when changes are made.  How would you like to
> stand in line at the store with your groceries for an hour, then be
> told you can't have that many items and go to the back of the line
> since they just changed their policy?  It's not a fair application. 
> These organizations followed the rules that were there at the time and
> did everything they were supposed to, and were APPROVED to wait for
> the next available allocation.  Then due to a policy change they were
> later removed from the list and told to apply again.  When you have
> policies, they need to be honored as written, and changes made need to
> be applied moving forward, and not retroactively. 
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> ARIN-2020-2: Reinstatement of Organizations Removed from Waitlist by
> Implementation of ARIN-2019-16
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> What is this ?
>
> People coming to support this just because they see a opportunity to
> get a few more space for their own organizations and not because this
> is a fair and equitable to all existing and potential members of the
> Internet Community.?
>
> Everybody that operates in the Internet Business depends on IPv4
> allocations and they are not available anymore. This shortage is equal
> to anyone and some still wishing to receive a little chunk of
> addresses despite the situation that affects all ?
> What is the justification to give some organizations who already have
> some reasonable space to work with, more space in current times ? I
> see this as privileging few rather than been equalized to all others.
>
> So why I always opposed this proposal.
> Fernando
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> On 22/10/2020 09:51, Jon Bachtold wrote:
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>     I fully support this policy as written, I appreciate how the ARIN
>     staff has determined this issue a definite oversight and has
>     determined to quickly remedy.
>
>      
>
>     As a Regional ISP, we live and breathe on IPV4 allocations and
>     responsible allocations to our customers.   I am impressed by the
>     tremendous response of colleagues, partners, employees, customers,
>     and competitors of Stratus in reaction to this.  That tells me
>     that they all had the same reaction when they were advised of the
>     situation, disappointment, and dare I say some outrage.     
>
>      
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>     Equally, I am impressed that ARIN staff responded so quickly, and
>     they look to remedy the situation quickly,  preventing any tarnish
>     to the reputation that it has achieved as a fair and equitable
>     manager of such a constrained resource.
>
>      
>
>     Kudos to ARIN Staff, and Encore!
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>      
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