[arin-ppml] Inter-RIR transfer Policy reciprocity with Afrinic_Resource Transfer Policy proposal

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Wed Oct 14 12:40:26 EDT 2020

I will point out that the policy is fundamentally incompatible with ARIN’s transfer policy in that it requires ARIN membership to participate in the process.

In the ARIN region, there are many non-member resource holders and non-members are eligible to receive transferred resources from other RIRs.

I believe that this is an unintended consequence of an unfortunate language choice in the proposal and I hope the authors will rectify it.

This is strictly my own personal opinion and not representative in any way of ARIN or the ARIN AC. I honestly do not know whether either of those bodies would agree with my interpretation or not.


> On Oct 12, 2020, at 7:42 AM, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:
> On 12 Oct 2020, at 8:30 AM, Anthony Ubah <ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com <mailto:ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> For the sake of better understanding, please let me clarify a few things:
>> One, it would be arduous and complicated if there is a middleman fugure mediating the conversation between ARIN, AFRINIC, and us the proposal authors. I would love to explore an option of communicating directly. We are also looking forward to the discussion from the ARIN community. 
>> Lastly, the version sent by the Afrinic staff to the RPD list is not the latest text draft(shared in this thread), an thus we wish to discuss the newest version with the ARIN community directly.
> Anthony - 
> You indicate that you wish to discuss the proposal with the ARIN community, but you also note that you seek to “inquire about its reciprocity with ARIN” – which is a determination that must be made by ARIN staff. 
> This is likely the source of confusion, since if the topic you’d like to discuss with the ARIN community whether the proposal meets ARIN’s NRPM section 8.4 requirement ("Inter-regional transfers of IPv4 number resources and ASNs may take place only via RIRs who agree to the transfer and share reciprocal, compatible needs-based policies.”), it’s probably more likely a discussion with ARIN staff that you seek regarding the compatibility of the proposal.  However, for sake of expediency, let’s proceed with that discussion here on the ppml list, as it’s possible that doing so may lead to related discussions on ARIN number resource policy. 
> In order to get the discussion moving, I’d like to get clarity on two questions regarding your proposed policy – 
> 1. Does the policy impose any conditions on recipient organizations in the ARIN region receiving transfers from AFRINIC-served entities?
> 2. Does the policy impose any conditions on source organizations in the ARIN region doing transfers to AFRINIC-served entities?
> (These two questions are germane because when ARIN is reviewing InterRIR transfer requests, we simply apply the criteria provided in the NRPM – i.e. we do not evaluate requests against any conditions or criteria that may be contained in other RIR policy documents...) 
> Thanks!
> /John
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> American Registry for Internet Numbers
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