[arin-ppml] Inter-RIR transfer Policy reciprocity with Afrinic_Resource Transfer Policy proposal

Anthony Ubah ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com
Tue Oct 13 03:33:37 EDT 2020

Dear John

See response inline:

On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 3:43 PM John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:

> On 12 Oct 2020, at 8:30 AM, Anthony Ubah <ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com> wrote:
> For the sake of better understanding, please let me clarify a few things:
> One, it would be arduous and complicated if there is a middleman fugure
> mediating the conversation between ARIN, AFRINIC, and us the proposal
> authors. I would love to explore an option of communicating directly. We
> are also looking forward to the discussion from the ARIN community.
> Lastly, the version sent by the Afrinic staff to the RPD list is not the
> latest text draft(shared in this thread), an thus we wish to discuss the
> newest version with the ARIN community directly.
> Anthony -
> You indicate that you wish to discuss the proposal with the ARIN
> community, but you also note that you seek to “inquire about its
> reciprocity with ARIN” – which is a determination that must be made by ARIN
> staff.
> This is likely the source of confusion, since if the topic you’d like to
> discuss with the ARIN community whether the proposal meets ARIN’s NRPM
> section 8.4 requirement ("Inter-regional transfers of IPv4 number resources
> and ASNs may take place only via RIRs who agree to the transfer and share
> reciprocal, compatible needs-based policies.”), it’s probably more likely a
> discussion with ARIN staff that you seek regarding the compatibility of the
> proposal.  However, for sake of expediency, let’s proceed with that
> discussion here on the ppml list, as it’s possible that doing so may lead
> to related discussions on ARIN number resource policy.

* Thank you for your clarification, but since the community serves as the
"supreme court of policies", the best place to seek answers would be PPML.*

> In order to get the discussion moving, I’d like to get clarity on two
> questions regarding your proposed policy –
> *1. Does the policy impose any conditions on recipient organizations in
> the ARIN region receiving **transfers from AFRINIC-served entities?*

* No. The final version of this proposal indicates clearly that no
condition will be imposed on the recipient’s organization in other regions,
which obviously also applies to the case of ARIN.*

> *2. Does the policy impose any conditions on source organizations in the
> ARIN region doing transfers to AFRINIC-served entities?*
*No. The final version of this proposal indicates clearly that no condition
will be imposed on the source organizations in other regions, which
obviously also applies to the case of ARIN. *

*This’s the intention of our proposal. If there are any unclear wordings
that may cause possible misunderstanding or confusion, please let us know. *

> (These two questions are germane because when ARIN is reviewing InterRIR
> transfer requests, we simply apply the criteria provided in the NRPM – i.e.
> we do not evaluate requests against any conditions or criteria that may be
> contained in other RIR policy documents...)
> Thanks!
> /John
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> American Registry for Internet Numbers
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