[arin-ppml] ARIN-PPML Digest, Vol 180, Issue 4
Christian Lefrançois
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Sat Jun 20 12:10:04 EDT 2020
Hi Alyssa,
I fully support this discussion (most importantly item 2).
I’m willing to give back my /22 in exchange of a /21 (like originally qualified).
Regards,
Christian Lefrançois|Directeur Technique
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Today’s Topics:
1. Re: Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2: Grandfathering of Organizations
Removed from Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16 (Alyssa Moore)
2. Re: Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2: Grandfathering of Organizations
Removed from Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16 (Tom Pruitt)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2020 11:25:45 -0700
From: Alyssa Moore <alyssa at alyssamoore.ca>
To: David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu>
Cc: ARIN-PPML List <arin-ppml at arin.net>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2: Grandfathering of
Organizations Removed from Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16
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Hi folks,
There was some great discussion of this policy proposal at ARIN45. We hear a wide range of views including:
1. Don’t grandfather organizations. The new waitlist policy is sound.
2. Organizations that were on the waitlist before 2019-16 should be
eligible for their original request size (even if it exceeds the new limit
of a /22).
3. Organizations that were on the waitlist before 2019-16 should remain
eligible if their holdings exceed a /20 OR a /18. The draft policy under
discussion specifies a /18 total holdings for grandfathered orgs, while the
current waitlist policy (2019-16) specifies a /20.
4. Organizations that were on the waitlist before 2019-16 should be
eligible regardless of their total holdings because that was not a
restriction of the policy under which they originally qualified for the
waitlist.
There was general support to continue finessing this draft. If you have views on the above noted parameters, please make them known here.
For reference:
*Old waitlist policy*
1. Requester specifies smallest block they’d be willing to accept, equal
to or larger than the applicable minimum size specified elsewhere in ARIN
policy.
2. Did not place a limit on the total existing IP address holdings of a
party eligible for the waitlist.
3. Made resources issued from the waitlist ineligible for transfer until
after a period of 12 months.
*New Waitlist Policy*
1. Limits the size of block ARIN can issue on the waitlist to a /22.
2. Places a limit on the total existing IP address holdings of a party
eligible for the waitlist at a /20 or less.
3. Makes resources issued from the waitlist ineligible for transfer
until after a period of 60 months.
Best,
Alyssa
On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 3:35 PM David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu> wrote:
> I support this policy and believe the policy development process is
> the proper place to handle this issue. However, this policy seems to
> be implementable as a one-time policy directive to ARIN Staff. Once
> implemented, by putting the effected organizations back on the waiting
> list, it seems unnecessary to memorialized the text in the NRPM, it
> would immediately become extraneous and potentially confusing to
> future readers of the NRPM.
>
> Therefore, I would like to recommend the Policy Statement not be added
> to the NRPM upon its implementation. I believe this to be consistent
> with the intent of the policy. Otherwise, does ARIN Staff have
> procedural advice on how best to handle what seems like a one-time directive?
>
> Thanks
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:21 PM ARIN <info at arin.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2: Grandfathering of Organizations Removed
>> from Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16
>>
>> Problem Statement:
>>
>> The implementation of the ARIN-2019-16 Advisory Council
>> Recommendation Regarding NRPM 4.1.8: Unmet Requests caused some
>> organizations to be removed from the waiting list that were approved
>> under the old policy?s eligibility criteria. These organizations
>> should have been grandfathered when the waitlist was reopened to
>> allow them to receive an allocation of
>> IPv4 up to the new policy?s maximum size constraint of a /22.
>>
>> Policy Statement: Update NRPM Section 4.1.8 as follows:
>>
>> Add section 4.1.8.3 (temporary language in the NRPM to remain until
>> the policy objective is achieved)
>>
>> Restoring organizations to the waitlist
>>
>> ARIN will restore organizations that were removed from the waitlist
>> at the adoption of ARIN-2019-16 to their previous position if their
>> total holdings of IPv4 address space amounts to a /18 or less. The
>> maximum size aggregate that a reinstated organization may qualify for is a /22.
>>
>> All restored organizations extend their 2 year approval by [number of
>> months between July 2019 and implementation of new policy]. Any
>> requests met through a transfer will be considered fulfilled and
>> removed from the waiting list.
>>
>> Comments:
>>
>> Timetable for implementation: Immediate
>>
>> Anything Else: While attending ARIN 44 and discussing this with other
>> community members the vast majority indicated that they agreed that
>> some organizations were treated unfairly. This proposal is a remedy.
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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2020 21:00:31 +0000
From: Tom Pruitt <tpruitt at stratusnet.com>
To: Alyssa Moore <alyssa at alyssamoore.ca>, David Farmer
<farmer at umn.edu>
Cc: ARIN-PPML List <arin-ppml at arin.net>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2: Grandfathering of
Organizations Removed from Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16
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I am in favor of at least the new policy below. Actually I?m in favor of views 2, 3, or 4 but I can support the new policy below. During the meeting, it appeared a large majority of the people who had views were in support of doing something for these organizations.
Thanks,
Tom Pruitt
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From: ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> On Behalf Of Alyssa Moore
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2020 1:26 PM
To: David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu>
Cc: ARIN-PPML List <arin-ppml at arin.net>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2: Grandfathering of Organizations Removed from Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16
Hi folks,
There was some great discussion of this policy proposal at ARIN45. We hear a wide range of views including:
1. Don’t grandfather organizations. The new waitlist policy is sound.
2. Organizations that were on the waitlist before 2019-16 should be eligible for their original request size (even if it exceeds the new limit of a /22).
3. Organizations that were on the waitlist before 2019-16 should remain eligible if their holdings exceed a /20 OR a /18. The draft policy under discussion specifies a /18 total holdings for grandfathered orgs, while the current waitlist policy (2019-16) specifies a /20.
4. Organizations that were on the waitlist before 2019-16 should be eligible regardless of their total holdings because that was not a restriction of the policy under which they originally qualified for the waitlist.
There was general support to continue finessing this draft. If you have views on the above noted parameters, please make them known here.
For reference:
Old waitlist policy
1. Requester specifies smallest block they’d be willing to accept, equal to or larger than the applicable minimum size specified elsewhere in ARIN policy.
2. Did not place a limit on the total existing IP address holdings of a party eligible for the waitlist.
3. Made resources issued from the waitlist ineligible for transfer until after a period of 12 months.
New Waitlist Policy
1. Limits the size of block ARIN can issue on the waitlist to a /22.
2. Places a limit on the total existing IP address holdings of a party eligible for the waitlist at a /20 or less.
3. Makes resources issued from the waitlist ineligible for transfer until after a period of 60 months.
Best,
Alyssa
On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 3:35 PM David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu<mailto:farmer at umn.edu>> wrote:
I support this policy and believe the policy development process is the proper place to handle this issue. However, this policy seems to be implementable as a one-time policy directive to ARIN Staff. Once implemented, by putting the effected organizations back on the waiting list, it seems unnecessary to memorialized the text in the NRPM, it would immediately become extraneous and potentially confusing to future readers of the NRPM.
Therefore, I would like to recommend the Policy Statement not be added to the NRPM upon its implementation. I believe this to be consistent with the intent of the policy. Otherwise, does ARIN Staff have procedural advice on how best to handle what seems like a one-time directive?
Thanks
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:21 PM ARIN <info at arin.net<mailto:info at arin.net>> wrote:
Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2: Grandfathering of Organizations Removed from Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16
Problem Statement:
The implementation of the ARIN-2019-16 Advisory Council Recommendation Regarding NRPM 4.1.8: Unmet Requests caused some organizations to be removed from the waiting list that were approved under the old policy?s eligibility criteria. These organizations should have been grandfathered when the waitlist was reopened to allow them to receive an allocation of
IPv4 up to the new policy?s maximum size constraint of a /22.
Policy Statement: Update NRPM Section 4.1.8 as follows:
Add section 4.1.8.3 (temporary language in the NRPM to remain until the policy objective is achieved)
Restoring organizations to the waitlist
ARIN will restore organizations that were removed from the waitlist at the adoption of ARIN-2019-16 to their previous position if their total holdings of IPv4 address space amounts to a /18 or less. The maximum size aggregate that a reinstated organization may qualify for is a /22.
All restored organizations extend their 2 year approval by [number of months between July 2019 and implementation of new policy]. Any requests met through a transfer will be considered fulfilled and removed from the waiting list.
Comments:
Timetable for implementation: Immediate
Anything Else: While attending ARIN 44 and discussing this with other community members the vast majority indicated that they agreed that some organizations were treated unfairly. This proposal is a remedy.
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