[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2: Grandfathering of Organizations Removed from Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16

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I am also against this proposal.

If we allow holders of larger blocks back onto the list, we take away 
blocks that should go to smaller holders.

The waiting list is NOT a lottery to be "won", and I think the policy 
should not change.

Albert Erdmann
Network Administrator
Paradise On Line Inc.


On Wed, 15 Jul 2020, Andrew Dul wrote:

> 
> I do not support the reintroduction of organizations onto the wait-list who were removed due to having existing address holdings larger than a /20.  Being
> on the wait-list was never a guarantee that you would receive space.  The AC had to balance the various elements of block size and organizations who would
> be eligible to receive space under the updated policy and we were aware that the rules as implemented would prevent some organizations on the wait-list from
> receiving blocks going forward. 
> 
> Speaking only for myself, not the AC
> 
> Andrew
> 
> On 6/19/2020 11:25 AM, Alyssa Moore wrote:
>       Hi folks, 
>
>       There was some great discussion of this policy proposal at ARIN45. We hear a wide range of views including:
>        1. Don't grandfather organizations. The new waitlist policy is sound. 
>        2. Organizations that were on the waitlist before 2019-16 should be eligible for their original request size (even if it exceeds the new limit
>           of a /22). 
>        3. Organizations that were on the waitlist before 2019-16 should remain eligible if their holdings exceed a /20 OR a /18. The draft policy
>           under discussion specifies a /18 total holdings for grandfathered orgs, while the current waitlist policy (2019-16) specifies a /20.
>        4. Organizations that were on the waitlist before 2019-16 should be eligible regardless of their total holdings because that was not a
>           restriction of the policy under which they originally qualified for the waitlist. 
>        There was general support to continue finessing this draft. If you have views on the above noted parameters, please make them known here.
> 
> For reference: 
> 
> Old waitlist policy
>  1. Requester specifies smallest block they'd be willing to accept, equal to or larger than the applicable minimum size specified elsewhere in ARIN
>     policy.
>  2. Did not place a limit on the total existing IP address holdings of a party eligible for the waitlist.
>  3. Made resources issued from the waitlist ineligible for transfer until after a period of 12 months. 
> New Waitlist Policy
>  1. Limits the size of block ARIN can issue on the waitlist to a /22.
>  2. Places a limit on the total existing IP address holdings of a party eligible for the waitlist at a /20 or less.
>  3. Makes resources issued from the waitlist ineligible for transfer until after a period of 60 months.  
> 
> Best, 
> Alyssa
> 
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 3:35 PM David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu> wrote:
>       I support this policy and believe the policy development process is the proper place to handle this issue. However, this policy seems to
>       be implementable as a one-time policy directive to ARIN Staff. Once implemented, by putting the effected organizations back on the waiting
>       list, it seems unnecessary to memorialized the text in the NRPM, it would immediately become extraneous and potentially confusing to
>       future readers of the NRPM.
> Therefore, I would like to recommend the Policy Statement not be added to the NRPM upon its implementation. I believe this to be consistent with
> the intent of the policy.  Otherwise, does ARIN Staff have procedural advice on how best to handle what seems like a one-time directive?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:21 PM ARIN <info at arin.net> wrote:
>
>       Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2: Grandfathering of Organizations Removed from
>       Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16
>
>       Problem Statement:
>
>       The implementation of the ARIN-2019-16 Advisory Council Recommendation
>       Regarding NRPM 4.1.8: Unmet Requests caused some organizations to be
>       removed from the waiting list that were approved under the old policy’s
>       eligibility criteria. These organizations should have been grandfathered
>       when the waitlist was reopened to allow them to receive an allocation of
>       IPv4 up to the new policy’s maximum size constraint of a /22.
>
>       Policy Statement: Update NRPM Section 4.1.8 as follows:
>
>       Add section 4.1.8.3 (temporary language in the NRPM to remain until the
>       policy objective is achieved)
>
>       Restoring organizations to the waitlist
>
>       ARIN will restore organizations that were removed from the waitlist at
>       the adoption of ARIN-2019-16 to their previous position if their total
>       holdings of IPv4 address space amounts to a /18 or less. The maximum
>       size aggregate that a reinstated organization may qualify for is a /22.
>
>       All restored organizations extend their 2 year approval by [number of
>       months between July 2019 and implementation of new policy]. Any requests
>       met through a transfer will be considered fulfilled and removed from the
>       waiting list.
>
>       Comments:
>
>       Timetable for implementation: Immediate
>
>       Anything Else: While attending ARIN 44 and discussing this with other
>       community members the vast majority indicated that they agreed that some
>       organizations were treated unfairly. This proposal is a remedy.
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