[arin-ppml] ARIN-2019-19 Require IPv6 before receiving Section 8 IPv4 Transfers

Fernando Frediani fhfrediani at gmail.com
Mon Jan 13 13:45:43 EST 2020

I believe this is some kind of political correctness way of dealing with 
this topic. While many support the adoption of IPv6 and recognize the 
critical need of it for the Internet ecosystem to continue work smoothly 
and to avoid many conflicts that will arise otherwise, they don't seem 
to want to offend others colleagues believing this will 'force' them to 
deploy IPv6. That has never been the case of this proposal.
It was said many times this doesn't force those who wish to remain 
IPv4-only for whatever time they need.

But let's think of the whole thing. Don't just concentrate on the saying 
"My network my rules" because that is too simplistic and too vague.
When you operate in internet and in a registry system you must evolve 
along with others and for the whole thing to keep working in a 
"interconnected environment", so it is not just about "your rules".

For those who deny IPv6 adoption or even those who feel others are being 
terribly forced to something I would invite your to think that this all 
is a question of what problem to choose. "Force" others to something 
small (really this proposal isn't something that forceful if you think 
better - it's just another small thing to add up to efforts towards the 
obvious where the internet must go) or you choose the issue of 
increasing conflicts that will happen because of the IPv4 exhaustion and 
that ultimately will end up in this forum. Organizations still dependent 
of IPv4 (because many others didn't want to offend colleagues who still 
deny IPv6) that feel they are being treated unfairly, brokers constantly 
trying to change the rules meet their own interests, companies that may 
not understand yet the issue forcing to a specific direction to solve 
their particular problem or even organizations that may choose to sue 
the RIR because they feel they are being treated unfairly and having 
their business damaged. Either way they will happen and we have the 
opportunity to smooth it a bit by adopting this proposal which goes 
towards the only direction Internet has to go for now and, once again, 
it is not that forceful.

Lastly I want to invite all that support IPv6 to think also about the 
morals of what is happening. I don't mean to offend anyone, but in my 
view it is immoral to all community to keep transferring more and more 
IPv4 and not have any commitment to IPv6 as if it was a cosmetic thing. 
This proposal doesn't say organization who are in need of more IPv4 to 
operate cannot keep transferring them, but just ask these to show some 
commitment to IPv6.

It was already mentioned in the previous discussions this forum has full 
rights to establish how the registry is administered and the rules that 
apply to transfers. There is nothing illegal on that and it's nothing 
absurd or abrupt, so making this move is a little effort that 
contributed to something that will happen in a way or another, more 
smoothy if you choose to support this proposal or with pain if you do not.

Therefore I keep supporting this proposal and would also support IPv6 
requirements for receiving a block via the ARIN wait-list.

Best regards
Fernando Frediani

On 13/01/2020 14:40, Michael Peddemors wrote:
> Frankly, I agree with earlier detractors..
> While it may be important to ARIN to push for IPv6 adoption, I don't 
> believe using IPv4 allocation policies as a method to 'force' adoption 
> is a wise or efficient method for encouraging adoption..
> I believe you should simply keep both purposes separate.. totally.
> There are other ways to encourage IPv6 adoption, and it should be left 
> up to the industry, and not ARIN policy, and it should NOT hamstring 
> those who for one reason or another feel no need to consider IPv6 at 
> this time.
> There might be legitimate reasons, that while we may not understand or 
> fathom them, and are important to the person looking for IPv4 waiting 
> lists and/or transfers, but who are we to say..
> On 2020-01-13 9:06 a.m., Andrew Dul wrote:
>> Happy New Year everyone...
>> We had a robust discussion on this list before the New Year, but it 
>> was clear that we don't have consensus on the current draft. Thus to 
>> help move this draft forward...  I'm proposing a couple of questions 
>> to see if we can find middle ground here to update the text of the 
>> draft policy.
>> The policy as written today would require organizations who wish to 
>> obtain an IPv4 transfer to complete a limited scope IPv6 deployment.
>> Do you support any IPv6 requirements on an IPv4 transfer?
>> Would you support IPv6 requirements for receiving a block via the 
>> ARIN wait-list?
>> Do you support different IPv6 deployment criteria that would qualify 
>> an organization for a IPv4 transfer?  (Such as, just requiring the 
>> org to have an IPv6 allocation or assignment from ARIN)  Please 
>> propose different IPv6 criteria that you would support if the current 
>> criteria is unacceptable.
>> Thanks for your comments on this draft,
>> Andrew
>> ===
>> *Current Policy Statement:*
>> In section 8.5.2, add the following language to the end of the 
>> paragraph entitled “Operational Use”:
>> Such operational network must at minimum include an allocation or 
>> assignment by ARIN of IPv6 address space under the same Org ID 
>> receiving the transferred IPv4 space. Such Org must be able to prove 
>> this IPv6 space is being routed by using it to communicate with ARIN.
>> In the event the receiver provides a written statement from its 
>> upstream that IPv6 connectivity is unavailable, the IPv6 requirement 
>> may be waived.
>> ===
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