[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-18: LIR/ISP Re-Assignment to Non-Connected Networks - Clarifying Language

Ronald F. Guilmette rfg at tristatelogic.com
Fri Nov 1 17:23:45 EDT 2019

In message <30dbfe0c-f444-ec1c-54ad-62460ab5643f at egh.com>, 
John Santos <john at egh.com> wrote:

>The proposal specifically relates to leasing IP addresses to recipients 
>who are NOT receiving connectivity from the lessor.

As I said, I myself have no position on the proposal under discussion.

As a general matter however, I have for many years now been concerned
about the promulgation, within the various structures of Internet
governance, of rules which, following adoption, are then rather trivially
circumvented by parties having neither a care for nor a respect for the
intent of the rules in question.

For that reason, I do believe that it might be helpful to the discussion
of the proposal if the alternatives were made completely clear.

You've said that the status quo permits leasing in conjunction with
connectivity.  But how is "connectivity" defined in this context,

If you are a "provider" and I am your client, may you lease me IP addresses
even if the IP addresses you lease me are ones that I get connectivity to
from some -different- provider?

Perhaps even more importantly, if leasing IP addresses in conjunction with
"connectivity", however that term is currently defined, is currently A-OK,
but leasing addresses NOT in conjunction with "connectivity" is currently
prohibited, then who is enforcing that existing prohibition, how effective
is the enforcement, and what are some recent examples of such enforcement?

If in fact there is no actual enforcement of what I infer must be a current
standing prohibition on leasing NOT in conjunction with connectivity, then
what is the point of wasting time debating here the lifting of this
prohibition, a prohibition which has no significance in actual practice

Where I live, spitting on the sidewalk is illegal, but that law is never
enforced, in practice, and thus I frequently see people spitting on the

Given this context, I am not moved to passionately argue either for or
against the repeal of our local anti-spitting ordinance, and would
perfer instead to devote my time to more meaningful endeavors.


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