[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-19: Require IPv6 Before Receiving Section 8 IPv4 Transfers

[Scott Leibrand]

I think you underestimate the complexity of enterprise networking, and the
relative lack of skill of the folks managing most enterprise networks,
largely due to the fact that they can't enforce at-scale standardization as
consumer networks do (so they can't just hire a small number of software
architects to manage an entire network via automation).

When it comes down to making a decision about whether to implement IPv6,
the decision is usually "build vs. buy" - "build" a new network, new server
infrastructure, etc., vs. "buy" more IPv4 addresses. On residential
networks, they can "build" at a sufficient scale to be cheaper than
"buying". On enterprise networks, the "buy" option is usually cheaper (and
far less risky to the revenue-generating portions of the business).

There are ways to help change that cost/benefit tradeoff, but they involve
solving hard problems of both the technical and organizational variety.
This policy proposal does nothing to address them.

-Scott

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 2:36 PM Mark Andrews <marka at isc.org> wrote:

> Actually the arrogance of enterprises in not turning on IPv6 is astounding.
>
> Their customers are being forced to share IP addresses not only between
> their
> own machines but between machines from different customers because they
> can’t
> take the simple step of turning on IPv6 on their servers.  No one else can
> do that but them.
>
> The world ran out if IPv4 address in 1995.  Stop gaps have kept IPv4 going
> since
> then and they are getting worse. 20 years to plan to turn on IPv6 and they
> still
> say they need more time.  Thats mega arrogance for you.
>
> Mark
>
> > On 8 Nov 2019, at 12:08, Michel Py <michel at arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jordi,
> >
> >> I'm not sure if this is a love or a war declaration ... below ...
> >
> > This is war, make no mistake.
> >
> >> In fact, we should aim, as a community (RIRs, IETF, ICANN), to do as
> much as we can to start sunseting IPv4 now.
> >
> > This is why we are at war. In 20 years, you have not yet captured 10% of
> the enterprise market and you are talking about sunset ?
> > Your arrogance is mind-boggling. You are fighting for the survival of
> IPv6. You had your shot at it. For 20 years. Now want to kill my ecosystem,
> I will thrown anything I have at yours. No matter how dirty it is. No
> matter how much people will hate me. Not being nice anymore.
> >
> > Michel.
> >
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