[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-19: Require IPv6 Before Receiving Section 8 IPv4 Transfers

Wed Nov 6 18:01:04 EST 2019

To those who oppose because they find the mechanism in the proposal is 
not effective do you have an alternative and more effective text to 
propose so the author may consider a change. I guess if you the current 
is ineffective the alternative would have to be more complex but still 
objective.

The point I believe is not about creating hurdles for IPv4 but a natural 
and quiet obvious move to what IS the current Internet protocol and what 
must work in order for Internet to survive. Otherwise why would ARIN's 
Board issue such resolution in that sense ? And there are plenty of 
other Internet related organizations in the same direction.

There will be conflicts in either cases, if things a left loose are they 
are at the people's pleasure there will be as mentioned, growing 
conflicts regarding IPv4 exhaustion and they tend to grow quiet fastly. 
If things push for transition to IPv6 (in this case much more softly) 
there will be conflicts with those who believe they have the right to 
hold themselves and all others to the past.

Even more important is that due to these ones willing to wash their 
hands and deny evolution making *all others will be paying the price* 
due not only the problems caused by the lack of IPv4 but also to the 
price increasing they will have to pay should they to need to purchase 
any extra chunk of addresses to be able to exist in the internet while 
there is a feasible solution available.
That's why it is very reasonable and fair that this same impacted 
community desire to have more mechanisms to that direction and is 
completely legit they come out from a change in the policy

Between both types of conflicts my bet is that the second which means 
evolution will prevail.

Best regards
Fernando

On 06/11/2019 18:08, David Farmer wrote:
> I oppose this policy.
>
> I'm not convinced of the efficacy of this policy, the policy's ability 
> to produce its intended or desired result. I presume the intended 
> result is to increase the deployment of IPv6. I'm not convinced that 
> creating artificial hurdles for IPv4 will increase the deployment of 
> IPv6 in any way. If the natural hurdle of having to go to the market 
> to get IPv4 isn't enough to convince people to deploy IPv6, why would 
> this artificial hurdle convince them? Given human nature, if this 
> policy goes forward, I expect many people will turn on IPv6 to 
> complete their IPv4 transfer and then simply turn IPv6 off again, the 
> end result does nothing for IPv6 deployment. Further, I suspect this 
> policy is more likely to antagonize people against deploying IPv6 more 
> than it is will incentivize them toward deploying IPv6.
>
> Please let's not go in this direction.
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 11:55 AM ARIN <info at arin.net 
> <mailto:info at arin.net>> wrote:
>
>     On 1 November 2019, the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted
>     "ARIN-prop-278: Require IPv6 Before Receiving Section 8 IPv4
>     Transfers"
>     as a Draft Policy.
>
>     Draft Policy ARIN-2019-19 is below and can be found at:
>
>     https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2019_19/
>
>     You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will
>     evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this
>     draft
>     policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as
>     stated in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these
>     principles are:
>
>     * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration
>     * Technically Sound
>     * Supported by the Community
>
>     The PDP can be found at:
>     https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/
>
>     Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:
>     https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/
>
>     Regards,
>
>     Sean Hopkins
>     Policy Analyst
>     American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>
>
>
>     Draft Policy ARIN-2019-19: Require IPv6 Before Receiving Section 8
>     IPv4
>     Transfers
>
>     Problem Statement:
>
>     On 7 May 2007 the ARIN Board unanimously passed an IPv6
>     resolution. In
>     2011, the last /8 blocks were assigned to the RIR’s and has now been
>     over 4 years since the IPv4 free pool was exhausted at ARIN.
>
>     Now is the time for ARIN to require those who receive transferred
>     IPv4
>     space to have in place an operational IPv6 network.
>
>     Policy statement:
>
>     In section 8.5.2, add the following language to the end of the
>     paragraph
>     entitled “Operational Use”:
>
>     Such operational network must at minimum include an allocation or
>     assignment by ARIN of IPv6 address space under the same Org ID
>     receiving
>     the transferred IPv4 space. Such Org must be able to prove this IPv6
>     space is being routed by using it to communicate with ARIN.
>
>     In the event the receiver provides a written statement from its
>     upstream
>     that IPv6 connectivity is unavailable, the IPv6 requirement may be
>     waived.
>
>     Timetable for Implementation: Upon Passage
>
>     Anything Else:
>
>     The following was included in the IPv6 resolution:
>
>     BE IT RESOLVED, that this Board of Trustees hereby requests the ARIN
>     Advisory Council to consider Internet Numbering Resource Policy
>     changes
>     advisable to encourage migration to IPv6 numbering resources where
>     possible.
>
>     This proposal is part of an effort to encourage migration to IPv6.
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