[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-19: Require IPv6 Before Receiving Section 8 IPv4 Transfers

[Scott Leibrand]

I agree with David and at the moment am opposed to this policy proposal.

All of my recent employers have provided cloud / web infrastructure
services of one sort or another. Some of them provide those services over
IPv6, and some don't yet, depending on whether their customers demand it.
Independently, some of them provide dual-stacked IPv6 on employee LANs, and
some do not. The requirement dictated by this policy proposal would
essentially mean companies like my employers would need to provide
dual-stack IPv6 on at least one LAN accessible to the employees responsible
for interacting with ARIN. It would do absolutely nothing to encourage them
to do the much harder but mostly unrelated task of making their products
work with IPv6. It is, therefore, a pointless make-work requirement on them.

-Scott

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 1:08 PM David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu> wrote:

> I oppose this policy.
>
> I'm not convinced of the efficacy of this policy, the policy's ability to
> produce its intended or desired result. I presume the intended result is to
> increase the deployment of IPv6. I'm not convinced that creating artificial
> hurdles for IPv4 will increase the deployment of IPv6 in any way. If the
> natural hurdle of having to go to the market to get IPv4 isn't enough to
> convince people to deploy IPv6, why would this artificial hurdle convince
> them? Given human nature, if this policy goes forward, I expect many people
> will turn on IPv6 to complete their IPv4 transfer and then simply turn IPv6
> off again, the end result does nothing for IPv6 deployment. Further, I
> suspect this policy is more likely to antagonize people against deploying
> IPv6 more than it is will incentivize them toward deploying IPv6.
>
> Please let's not go in this direction.
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 11:55 AM ARIN <info at arin.net> wrote:
>
>> On 1 November 2019, the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted
>> "ARIN-prop-278: Require IPv6 Before Receiving Section 8 IPv4 Transfers"
>> as a Draft Policy.
>>
>> Draft Policy ARIN-2019-19 is below and can be found at:
>>
>> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2019_19/
>>
>> You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will
>> evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this draft
>> policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as
>> stated in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these
>> principles are:
>>
>> * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration
>> * Technically Sound
>> * Supported by the Community
>>
>> The PDP can be found at:
>> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/
>>
>> Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:
>> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Sean Hopkins
>> Policy Analyst
>> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>>
>>
>>
>> Draft Policy ARIN-2019-19: Require IPv6 Before Receiving Section 8 IPv4
>> Transfers
>>
>> Problem Statement:
>>
>> On 7 May 2007 the ARIN Board unanimously passed an IPv6 resolution. In
>> 2011, the last /8 blocks were assigned to the RIR’s and has now been
>> over 4 years since the IPv4 free pool was exhausted at ARIN.
>>
>> Now is the time for ARIN to require those who receive transferred IPv4
>> space to have in place an operational IPv6 network.
>>
>> Policy statement:
>>
>> In section 8.5.2, add the following language to the end of the paragraph
>> entitled “Operational Use”:
>>
>> Such operational network must at minimum include an allocation or
>> assignment by ARIN of IPv6 address space under the same Org ID receiving
>> the transferred IPv4 space. Such Org must be able to prove this IPv6
>> space is being routed by using it to communicate with ARIN.
>>
>> In the event the receiver provides a written statement from its upstream
>> that IPv6 connectivity is unavailable, the IPv6 requirement may be waived.
>>
>> Timetable for Implementation: Upon Passage
>>
>> Anything Else:
>>
>> The following was included in the IPv6 resolution:
>>
>> BE IT RESOLVED, that this Board of Trustees hereby requests the ARIN
>> Advisory Council to consider Internet Numbering Resource Policy changes
>> advisable to encourage migration to IPv6 numbering resources where
>> possible.
>>
>> This proposal is part of an effort to encourage migration to IPv6.
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