[arin-ppml] IP leasing policy

Fernando Frediani fhfrediani at gmail.com
Thu May 30 12:46:26 EDT 2019


What I am seeing by some positions are attempts to turn a fraudulent act 
into "something normal" because "market demands" and a total diversion 
of what IP space should ever be making look normal a company who 
received IP space from the RIR and **does not use it** rent it to 
someone else a ownership of a property they do not have.
And some of these attempts come from people who apparently have high 
financial interests in this deviation from purpose of IP space, but try 
to make it look like it is "for the good of the Internet".

Trying to resume it in different terms it looks like in the recent IPv4 
exhaustion times some individuals wish to go for "all-or-nothing" and 
make up rules to allow them to have easy access to IPv4 space via a 
shortcut and in front of many other people, bypassing the RIR if 
possible regardless how.
It has always been clear to many professionals what IP allocation by an 
ISP to its customers means, doesn't even need to explain much, it is 
obvious, but then there are attempts to make leasing a property they 
don't own something acceptable and normal.

We are here discussing rules for a waiting list to make it something 
fair and that all can be treated in the same way, but suddenly some see 
they feel "more equal than others" demanding to have ways to access IP 
space in a more privileged way than those who are patiently waiting. 
Strange times !

Shall we focus ?


On 30/05/2019 12:25, Jimmy Hess wrote:
> On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 5:26 PM Scott Leibrand <scottleibrand at gmail.com> wrote:
>> (New subject line for a new topic.)
>> You just described a lease policy: one where leasing is not allowed.  Such a policy would
>> have to exist to be enforced.  Right now there is no policy, so leasing is allowed because
>> it's not prohibited.
> Actually not.   ARIN's Policy does not have to contain a specific
> prohibition for every form of abuse --- The PDP describes when
> IP addresses can be allocated,  and any intended Usage for IP
> resources that is not provided by an allocation policy should not
> get past ARIN's required reviews.
> An organization attempting to misrepresent to ARIN the nature of
> that organization and their business, the need for IP addresses,  or
> the intended use for IP addresses and then after receiving an allocation
> proceeding to "leasing"  IP addresses without services would be fraud.
> "We have no allocations but want a /22 of IP addresses,  b/c we intend
> to open up shop and lease /24s to qualified applicants..."  should Not
> and even pass muster under the current policies and required reviews
> ---  ISPs  should in fact be able to show through sufficient connectivity
> contracts, etc, that they have procured an ISP network;   If they cannot,  then
> they are not providing Internet Services,  then they are not an ISP.
>> ISPs lease space to their customers all the time, bundled with IP connectivity.   [...]
> No....    ISPs  provide services related to global IP connectivity and allocate
> in the amount of IP addresses required for use with that ISP's services;
> the IPs are not a separate thing that an ISP may offer to
> others who are not current customers of their ISP business.
>> Hosting companies do the same.  So do VPN providers.
> Hosting companies and VPN providers with a working network and
> customers to serve are ISPs;  they are in the business of providing
> internet connectivity to "devices" that are owned or rented by
> external customers.
>>   The challenge with a "no leasing allowed" policy is differentiating ....
> There is no need to differentiate.   A  re-assignment or allocation
> is something that ISPs do to allow a customer use of IP addresses
> necessary in order to have internet connectivity
> through that ISP's services OR to allocate a range of IP addresses to
> another ISP who is their customer,  After the allocating ISP
> reviews and verifies their customer's  network design and
> IP address justification documentation accordingly.
> You can tell if an organization is an ISP,  and not "Leasing" IP addresses,
> because an ISP will only allocate or assign according to justified need
> respecting ARIN's required Policies and terms
> regarding customers required to return IP addresses and requiring and
> confirming that downstream customers adhere to required ARIN policies.
> and through 7*
> "The original ISP should allow sufficient time for the renumbering process
> to be completed before requiring the address space to be returned."
> "ISPs must require their downstream customers to adhere to the
> following criteria: ...".
> A  "leasing of IPs" is a fraudulent action not authorized by the ARIN RSA which
> involves a holder of number resources purporting to Rent "ownership"
> to property they do not have ---
> that is, a block of IP resources as if those were a piece of property that
> may be retained or procured by an end user organization for speculative
> purposes or "in case of possible future need some down the road"
> without ever actually using or having a valid justification to receive/hold
> the IP resources.
> --
> -JH
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