[arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after issuance

Mike Burns mike at iptrading.com
Wed May 29 16:50:34 EDT 2019

Hi Owen,


Apologies not necessary, I know your intentions were benign.

I have a thin skin for this, because brokers seem to be singled out for notice on policy lists around the various RIRs.

As if only brokers have a pecuniary interest that guides their policy decisions.

As if a broker’s position on a policy is automatically discounted by the amount he stands to gain.


I know this does not apply to you.




From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 4:18 PM
To: Mike Burns <mike at iptrading.com>
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Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after issuance


Apologies… It was not intended as such.


All of us have a natural tendency to color our opinions with our perspectives, our interests, and our experiences.


I have nothing against you or against brokers in general. I admit that I wish we didn’t need IP address monetization as I believe it creates multiple incentives in directions that aren’t necessarily good.


Nonetheless, I do recognize the need and I have voted in favor of various policies related to that in my tenure on the AC.


Hopefully we can move beyond IPv4 in for the most part in the coming years..


On May 29, 2019, at 5:24 AM, Mike Burns <mike at iptrading.com <mailto:mike at iptrading.com> > wrote:


Hi Owen,


The plain inference that my opinion is based on my brokering is ad hominem.

However, I will allow it! ;-)






---- On Tue, 28 May 2019 22:52:13 -0400 Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com <mailto:owen at delong.com> > wrote ----




Yes and no. I believe that the lack of legacy holders for any blocks issued under 4.1.8 reduces the need for the market.


Defunct organizations can easily be reclaimed in this space because they stop paying their ARIN bill.


Eliminating the resale value of these addresses won’t really encourage squatting on them and limiting the size of organization and size of block that can benefit from 4.1.8 further helps to reduce the potential for hoarding.


I realize that as a broker, any address that can’t be monetized is a lost opportunity for your organization, but I think there’s plenty of addresses out there that haven’t been processed through 4.1.8, so I don’t think limiting the resale potential of such blocks to reduce fraud is a bad idea.





On May 28, 2019, at 12:46 , Mike Burns <mike at iptrading.com <mailto:mike at iptrading.com> > wrote:


The percentages of blocks transferred takes a significant leap at the /19 size.

Below that, the percentages are all below 7%.

At /19 and above, the percentages are all above 21%.

Seems like a natural demarcation for maximum block size, but prices do continue to rise.

While we want to fight fraud, we should still remember the underlying reasons for the Ipv4 transfer market apply to these addresses as well.

That is, the market provides incentives for efficient use and accurate registration.







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Folks - 


It occurred to me that it might be useful to have a quick summary of waiting list blocks issued and subsequently transferred. 


Attached is the distribution (count per prefix size) of all blocks that have been issued via ARIN's waiting list policy and subsequently transferred via NRPM 8.2/8.3/8.4 policy.





John Curran

President and CEO

American Registry for Internet Numbers







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