[arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after issuance

Michael B. Williams Michael.Williams at glexia.com
Wed May 29 10:52:22 EDT 2019


I support either of these restrictions. A /21, /20, /19 for current
waitlist....

I support a /22 restriction for new entrants, a /19 max for current list
members, and maintenance of the 12 month wait for simplicity’s sake.

What about discuss /22 for new entrants, /20 for current list members and
36, 42 or 48 months for transfers ? Seems more reasonable in my view and
cover most aspects of this discussion.


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On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 10:50 AM Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 29/05/2019 11:31, Mike Burns wrote:
>
> Orgs will wait out any period, sitting with unused addresses until they
> reach the resale date. Not efficient use.
>
> If it's not a legacy resource and if ARIN gets to know about it, it may
> just recover this addresses even if the resource holder is paying it
> correctly. That's how it should work.
>
>
> People will lease unused addresses to others and Whois accuracy will
> suffer if they can’t resell them. Not accurate registration.
>
> If people lease they prove they have no use for the addresses and again
> ARIN should recover them at any time. If whois is inaccurate, well it is
> their fault and not policies fault. They must bind to the current rules not
> the other way round.
>
>
> I think we should give everybody currently on the list up to a /19 and
> then restrict new entries to a /22.
>
> Fair to discuss this scenario, although I still think /19 is too much.
> Agree on /22 for new entries.
>
> I think a 5 year resale wait is too long, based on the paltry resales of
> prior waiting-list subnets smaller than /19.
>
> It may be long, but 2 years seems a little short and 'acceptable' for a
> fraudster. Perhaps something in between.
>
> I support a /22 restriction for new entrants, a /19 max for current list
> members, and maintenance of the 12 month wait for simplicity’s sake.
>
> What about discuss /22 for new entrants, /20 for current list members and
> 36, 42 or 48 months for transfers ? Seems more reasonable in my view and
> cover most aspects of this discussion.
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
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> *From:* ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net>
> <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> *On Behalf Of *Fernando Frediani
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 29, 2019 8:51 AM
> *To:* arin-ppml at arin.net
> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after
> issuance
>
>
>
> +1
>
> On 28/05/2019 23:52, Owen DeLong wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
>
>
> Yes and no. I believe that the lack of legacy holders for any blocks
> issued under 4.1.8 reduces the need for the market.
>
>
>
> Defunct organizations can easily be reclaimed in this space because they
> stop paying their ARIN bill.
>
>
>
> Eliminating the resale value of these addresses won’t really encourage
> squatting on them and limiting the size of organization and size of block
> that can benefit from 4.1.8 further helps to reduce the potential for
> hoarding.
>
>
>
> I realize that as a broker, any address that can’t be monetized is a lost
> opportunity for your organization, but I think there’s plenty of addresses
> out there that haven’t been processed through 4.1.8, so I don’t think
> limiting the resale potential of such blocks to reduce fraud is a bad idea.
>
>
>
> Owen
>
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> On May 28, 2019, at 12:46 , Mike Burns <mike at iptrading.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> The percentages of blocks transferred takes a significant leap at the /19
> size.
>
> Below that, the percentages are all below 7%.
>
> At /19 and above, the percentages are all above 21%.
>
> Seems like a natural demarcation for maximum block size, but prices do
> continue to rise.
>
> While we want to fight fraud, we should still remember the underlying
> reasons for the Ipv4 transfer market apply to these addresses as well.
>
> That is, the market provides incentives for efficient use and accurate
> registration.
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Mike
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> *From:* ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> *On Behalf Of *John Curran
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 28, 2019 1:53 PM
> *To:* ARIN-PPML List <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> *Subject:* [arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after issuance
> *Importance:* High
>
>
>
> Folks -
>
>
>
> It occurred to me that it might be useful to have a quick summary of
> waiting list blocks issued and subsequently transferred.
>
>
>
> Attached is the distribution (count per prefix size) of all blocks that
> have been issued via ARIN's waiting list policy and subsequently
> transferred via NRPM 8.2/8.3/8.4 policy.
>
>
>
> FYI,
>
> /John
>
>
>
> John Curran
>
> President and CEO
>
> American Registry for Internet Numbers
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