[arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after issuance

Fernando Frediani fhfrediani at gmail.com
Wed May 29 10:49:59 EDT 2019


On 29/05/2019 11:31, Mike Burns wrote:
>
> Orgs will wait out any period, sitting with unused addresses until 
> they reach the resale date. Not efficient use.
>
If it's not a legacy resource and if ARIN gets to know about it, it may 
just recover this addresses even if the resource holder is paying it 
correctly. That's how it should work.

>
> People will lease unused addresses to others and Whois accuracy will 
> suffer if they can’t resell them. Not accurate registration.
>
If people lease they prove they have no use for the addresses and again 
ARIN should recover them at any time. If whois is inaccurate, well it is 
their fault and not policies fault. They must bind to the current rules 
not the other way round.

>
> I think we should give everybody currently on the list up to a /19 and 
> then restrict new entries to a /22.
>
Fair to discuss this scenario, although I still think /19 is too much. 
Agree on /22 for new entries.
>
> I think a 5 year resale wait is too long, based on the paltry resales 
> of prior waiting-list subnets smaller than /19.
>
It may be long, but 2 years seems a little short and 'acceptable' for a 
fraudster. Perhaps something in between.

> I support a /22 restriction for new entrants, a /19 max for current 
> list members, and maintenance of the 12 month wait for simplicity’s sake.
>
What about discuss /22 for new entrants, /20 for current list members 
and 36, 42 or 48 months for transfers ? Seems more reasonable in my view 
and cover most aspects of this discussion.
>
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> *From:*ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> *On Behalf Of *Fernando 
> Frediani
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 29, 2019 8:51 AM
> *To:* arin-ppml at arin.net
> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after 
> issuance
>
> +1
>
> On 28/05/2019 23:52, Owen DeLong wrote:
>
>     Mike,
>
>     Yes and no. I believe that the lack of legacy holders for any
>     blocks issued under 4.1.8 reduces the need for the market.
>
>     Defunct organizations can easily be reclaimed in this space
>     because they stop paying their ARIN bill.
>
>     Eliminating the resale value of these addresses won’t really
>     encourage squatting on them and limiting the size of organization
>     and size of block that can benefit from 4.1.8 further helps to
>     reduce the potential for hoarding.
>
>     I realize that as a broker, any address that can’t be monetized is
>     a lost opportunity for your organization, but I think there’s
>     plenty of addresses out there that haven’t been processed through
>     4.1.8, so I don’t think limiting the resale potential of such
>     blocks to reduce fraud is a bad idea.
>
>     Owen
>
>
>
>         On May 28, 2019, at 12:46 , Mike Burns <mike at iptrading.com
>         <mailto:mike at iptrading.com>> wrote:
>
>         The percentages of blocks transferred takes a significant leap
>         at the /19 size.
>
>         Below that, the percentages are all below 7%.
>
>         At /19 and above, the percentages are all above 21%.
>
>         Seems like a natural demarcation for maximum block size, but
>         prices do continue to rise.
>
>         While we want to fight fraud, we should still remember the
>         underlying reasons for the Ipv4 transfer market apply to these
>         addresses as well.
>
>         That is, the market provides incentives for efficient use and
>         accurate registration.
>
>         Regards,
>         Mike
>
>         *From:*ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net
>         <mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net>>*On Behalf Of*John Curran
>         *Sent:*Tuesday, May 28, 2019 1:53 PM
>         *To:*ARIN-PPML List <arin-ppml at arin.net
>         <mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net>>
>         *Subject:*[arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred
>         after issuance
>         *Importance:*High
>
>         Folks -
>
>         It occurred to me that it might be useful to have a quick
>         summary of waiting list blocks issued and subsequently
>         transferred.
>
>         Attached is the distribution (count per prefix size) of all
>         blocks that have been issued via ARIN's waiting list policy
>         and subsequently transferred via NRPM 8.2/8.3/8.4 policy.
>
>         FYI,
>
>         /John
>
>         John Curran
>
>         President and CEO
>
>         American Registry for Internet Numbers
>
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