[arin-ppml] ARIN-PPML Digest, Vol 167, Issue 153

Fernando Frediani fhfrediani at gmail.com
Fri May 24 15:19:47 EDT 2019


+1

I also support /22 and believe that's a reasonable size for a waiting list,
specially for a newcomer.

If anyone has official numbers of how much currentlly comes into the
waiting list I am open to discuss a different size.

Fernando

On Fri, 24 May 2019, 15:51 Scott Leibrand, <scottleibrand at gmail.com> wrote:

> What rationale is there for a /21 limit vs. /22, other than “I need more
> than one /22, and think my needs for a second /22 are more important than
> others’ needs for a first”?
>
> Scott
>
> > On May 24, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Christian Lefrançois <
> clefranc at diffusionfermont.ca> wrote:
> >
> > I disagree with /22 limit, should be /21, the IPs received from the
> waiting
> > list should return to the waiting list in case of business cease, even if
> > CORP-A swallow CORP-B assets, all allocations received from the waiting
> list
> > should be annually reviewed and reentry on the waiting list should also
> be
> > annually.
> >
> > Sorry for my bad English.
> >
> > Christian Lefrançois
> > Diffusion Fermont
> >
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> >   1. Re: Revised - Advisory Council Recommendation Regarding NRPM
> >      4.1.8. Unmet Requests (Leif Sawyer)
> >   2. Re:  Revised - Advisory Council Recommendation RegardingNRPM
> >      4.1.8. Unmet Requests (=?utf-8?B?SGF5ZWUgQm9raGFyaQ==?=)
> >   3. Re: Revised - Advisory Council Recommendation Regarding NRPM
> >      4.1.8. Unmet Requests (David Farmer)
> >
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> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 17:32:13 +0000
> > From: Leif Sawyer <lsawyer at gci.com>
> > To: Michael Williams <michael.williams at glexia.com>
> > Cc: "arin-ppml at arin.net" <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - Advisory Council Recommendation
> >        Regarding NRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests
> > Message-ID:
> >        <EDF941B230F4C446826CF893A9C8CE59016DD47715 at ex-mbx-prd02.gci.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> >
> > Michael, just to be clear:
> >
> > You don't support the policy allowing for the transfer of IPs received by
> > waitlist, for any reason?
> >
> > Including the purchase and transfer of all assets by Corp-A  from Corp-B
> ,
> > regardless of current utilization of the IPs?
> >
> > --
> > Leif Sawyer
> > Enterprise Security Architect
> > Enterprise Security Office
> > GCI
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: ARIN-PPML [arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] on behalf of Michael
> Williams
> > [michael.williams at glexia.com]
> > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 9:18 AM
> > To: ARIN
> > Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - Advisory Council Recommendation
> Regarding
> > NRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests
> >
> > [EXTERNAL EMAIL - CAUTION: Do not open unexpected attachments or links.]
> >
> > Representing ARIN member organisation GLEXI-3, I disagree with the
> language
> > of this policy proposal. Specifically:
> >
> > 1) The maximum waitlist size should be a /21
> > 2) The policy should require all IP allocations received from the
> waitlist
> > be returned to ARIN if they are no longer used. IP allocations received
> via
> > the waitlist should not be transferred, sold, or otherwise acquired in
> any
> > other fashion.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Michael Williams
> > President/CEO Glexia, Inc
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On 25 May 2019, at 03:04, ARIN <info at arin.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> At their 16 May meeting, the Advisory Council revised their
> recommendation
> > regarding NRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests.
> >>
> >> The revised recommendation is hereby submitted to the Public Policy
> > Mailing List for a second community discussion period of 14 days, to
> > conclude on 7 June.
> >>
> >> Once completed, the Board of Trustees will review the AC?s
> recommendation
> > and the PPML discussion.
> >>
> >> The full text of the Advisory Council's revised recommendation is below.
> >>
> >> Sean Hopkins
> >> Policy Analyst
> >> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Advisory Council recommendation:
> >>
> >> This is an updated version which incorporates feedback from the ARIN
> staff
> > and was approved for further community consultation at the ARIN AC
> meeting
> > on May 16, 2019.
> >>
> >> In accordance with section 10.2 of the ARIN Policy Development Process,
> > the ARIN Advisory Council recommends the following actions to the Board
> of
> > Trustees in response to the Board?s suspension of part of the operation
> of
> > sections 4.1.8, 4.1.8.1<http://4.1.8.1> and 4.1.8.2<http://4.1.8.2> of
> the
> > Numbering Resource Policy Manual:
> >>
> >> Replace section 4.1.8 et. seq. as follows, then reinstate the full
> > operation of sections 4.1.8, 4.1.8.1<http://4.1.8.1> and
> > 4.1.8.2<http://4.1.8.2> immediately.
> >>
> >> 4.1.8 ARIN Waitlist
> >>
> >> ARIN will only issue future IPv4 assignments/allocations (excluding 4.4
> > and 4.10 space) from the ARIN Waitlist. The maximum size aggregate that
> an
> > organization may qualify for at any one time is a /22. Organizations
> will be
> > able to elect a smaller block size than they qualify for down to a /24.
> Only
> > organizations holding a /20 or less of IPv4 address space may apply and
> be
> > approved. Address space distributed from the waitlist will not be
> eligible
> > for transfer for a period of 60 months. This policy will be applied to
> all
> > future distributions from the waitlist to include those currently listed.
> >>
> >> Repeated requests, in a manner that would circumvent 4.1.6, are not
> > allowed: an organization currently on the waitlist must wait 90 days
> after
> > receiving a distribution from the waitlist before applying for additional
> > space. ARIN, at its sole discretion, may waive this requirement if the
> > requester can document a change in circumstances since their last request
> > that could not have been reasonably foreseen at the time of the original
> > request, and which now justifies additional space. Qualified requesters
> > whose request will also be advised of the availability of the transfer
> > mechanism in section 8.3 as an alternative mechanism to obtain IPv4
> > addresses.
> >>
> >> 4.1.8.1<http://4.1.8.1> Sequencing
> >>
> >> The position of each qualified request on the waiting list will be
> > determined by the date it was approved. Each organization may have one
> > approved request on the waiting list at a time.
> >>
> >> 4.1.8.2<http://4.1.8.2> Fulfillment
> >>
> >> ARIN will fulfill requests on a first-approved basis, subject to the
> size
> > of each available address block as address blocks become available for
> > distribution. A timely review of the original request may be conducted by
> > ARIN staff. Requests will not be partially filled. Any requests met
> through
> > a transfer will be considered fulfilled and removed from the waiting
> list.
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> > Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 13:40:59 -0400
> > From: "=?utf-8?B?SGF5ZWUgQm9raGFyaQ==?=" <bokhari at cronomagic.com>
> > To: "=?utf-8?B?U2NvdHQgTGVpYnJhbmQ=?=" <scottleibrand at gmail.com>,
> >        "=?utf-8?B?TWljaGFlbCBXaWxsaWFtcw==?=" <
> michael.williams at glexia.com>
> > Cc: "=?utf-8?B?YXJpbi1wcG1s?=" <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml]  Revised - Advisory Council Recommendation
> >        RegardingNRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests
> > Message-ID: <201905241340593981544 at cronomagic.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="utf-8"
> >
> > I support non-transferability of waitlist space and limited,
> >
> > However Transfer from one entity to other should be allowed,
> >
> > -When a merger is taken place
> > -A company goes out of business and trustee takes over
> >
> > I see while we are discussing limiting the waiting list to /21 or /22
> there
> > are entries being added in waiting list for blocks bigger then /21, what
> > will happen to these waiting list entries, in other words what is the
> plan
> > for existing entries in the waiting list.
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Hayee
> >
> >
> >> I support the AC?s recommendations, and consider them sufficient to
> resume
> > waitlist allocations.
> >>
> >> I would also be fine with Michael?s #2 (non-transferability of waitlist
> > space), but would consider that a new proposal. I don?t support a larger
> > (/21) limit.
> >>
> >> Scott
> >>
> >>> On May 24, 2019, at 10:18 AM, Michael Williams
> > <michael.williams at glexia.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Representing ARIN member organisation GLEXI-3, I disagree with the
> >>> language of this policy proposal. Specifically:
> >>>
> >>> 1) The maximum waitlist size should be a /21
> >>> 2) The policy should require all IP allocations received from the
> >>> waitlist be returned to ARIN if they are no longer used. IP
> >>> allocations received via the waitlist should not be transferred,
> >>> sold, or otherwise acquired in any other fashion.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Michael Williams
> >>> President/CEO Glexia, Inc
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On 25 May 2019, at 03:04, ARIN <info at arin.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> At their 16 May meeting, the Advisory Council revised their
> > recommendation regarding NRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests.
> >>>>
> >>>> The revised recommendation is hereby submitted to the Public Policy
> > Mailing List for a second community discussion period of 14 days, to
> > conclude on 7 June.
> >>>>
> >>>> Once completed, the Board of Trustees will review the AC?s
> > recommendation and the PPML discussion.
> >>>>
> >>>> The full text of the Advisory Council's revised recommendation is
> below.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sean Hopkins
> >>>> Policy Analyst
> >>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Advisory Council recommendation:
> >>>>
> >>>> This is an updated version which incorporates feedback from the ARIN
> > staff and was approved for further community consultation at the ARIN AC
> > meeting on May 16, 2019.
> >>>>
> >>>> In accordance with section 10.2 of the ARIN Policy Development
> Process,
> > the ARIN Advisory Council recommends the following actions to the Board
> of
> > Trustees in response to the Board?s suspension of part of the operation
> of
> > sections 4.1.8, 4.1.8.1 and 4.1.8.2 of the Numbering Resource Policy
> Manual:
> >>>>
> >>>> Replace section 4.1.8 et. seq. as follows, then reinstate the full
> > operation of sections 4.1.8, 4.1.8.1 and 4.1.8.2 immediately.
> >>>>
> >>>> 4.1.8 ARIN Waitlist
> >>>>
> >>>> ARIN will only issue future IPv4 assignments/allocations (excluding
> 4.4
> > and 4.10 space) from the ARIN Waitlist. The maximum size aggregate that
> an
> > organization may qualify for at any one time is a /22. Organizations
> will be
> > able to elect a smaller block size than they qualify for down to a /24.
> Only
> > organizations holding a /20 or less of IPv4 address space may apply and
> be
> > approved. Address space distributed from the waitlist will not be
> eligible
> > for transfer for a period of 60 months. This policy will be applied to
> all
> > future distributions from the waitlist to include those currently listed.
> >>>>
> >>>> Repeated requests, in a manner that would circumvent 4.1.6, are not
> > allowed: an organization currently on the waitlist must wait 90 days
> after
> > receiving a distribution from the waitlist before applying for additional
> > space. ARIN, at its sole discretion, may waive this requirement if the
> > requester can document a change in circumstances since their last request
> > that could not have been reasonably foreseen at the time of the original
> > request, and which now justifies additional space. Qualified requesters
> > whose request will also be advised of the availability of the transfer
> > mechanism in section 8.3 as an alternative mechanism to obtain IPv4
> > addresses.
> >>>>
> >>>> 4.1.8.1 Sequencing
> >>>>
> >>>> The position of each qualified request on the waiting list will be
> > determined by the date it was approved. Each organization may have one
> > approved request on the waiting list at a time.
> >>>>
> >>>> 4.1.8.2 Fulfillment
> >>>>
> >>>> ARIN will fulfill requests on a first-approved basis, subject to the
> > size of each available address block as address blocks become available
> for
> > distribution. A timely review of the original request may be conducted by
> > ARIN staff. Requests will not be partially filled. Any requests met
> through
> > a transfer will be considered fulfilled and removed from the waiting
> list.
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> > Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 12:55:41 -0500
> > From: David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu>
> > To: Michael Williams <michael.williams at glexia.com>
> > Cc: ARIN <info at arin.net>, ARIN-PPML List <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - Advisory Council Recommendation
> >        Regarding NRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests
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> > On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:18 PM Michael Williams <
> > michael.williams at glexia.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Representing ARIN member organisation GLEXI-3, I disagree with the
> >> language of this policy proposal. Specifically:
> >>
> >> 1) The maximum waitlist size should be a /21
> >>
> >
> > Personally looking at the data I could be convinced /21 is OK from a
> fraud
> > prevention perspective. However, there seems to be a strong preference
> for
> > aligning with other RIRs on /22. That seems like as good of an argument
> as I
> > have seen for what is mostly an arbitrary choice. Do you have a better
> > argument for why it should be /21? Unfortunately, the arguments for /21
> that
> > I remember have mostly boiled down to, "that is what I have been planning
> > for and need." I need more on why /21 is the right number over /22.
> >
> >
> >> 2) The policy should require all IP allocations received from the
> >> waitlist be returned to ARIN if they are no longer used. IP
> >> allocations received via the waitlist should not be transferred, sold,
> >> or otherwise acquired in any other fashion.
> >>
> >
> > I can't support the elimination of M&A and reorganization transfers, ARIN
> > should not be an impediment to how anyone organizes or reorganizes their
> > business. There is an argument that completely eliminating transfers just
> > incents people to go around the registry, reducing its accuracy, and
> after
> > 3 to 5 years, this shouldn't matter too much anyway, at least I hope
> that is
> > the case.
> >
> > Thanks.
> > --
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