[arin-ppml] the bad 240/4 idea, was Solving the squatting problem

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Mon May 20 15:14:25 EDT 2019

The impact of squatting, as long as the routes do not leak outside are 
100% on the networks that are doing the squatting.

If you use someone elses IP space, this in most cases means you cannot 
route your own users to the public services that are being offered on the 
addresses that are being squatted, because that network is instead routing 
those addresses to its own resources.

While many talk openly about squatting on DOD addresses, for some those 
might not be enough, so they start looking to squat on other addresses. 
An example might be 56/8 belonging to the United States Postal Service.

While the majority of that space is not routed, some of it is, including 
the address space used by usps.com.  In the case of deciding to squat that 
block, you have locked your users out of that site.

With that understanding, and the fact that choices like this can limit 
your users ability to access public services, as long as it does not leak, 
I see decisions like this to not be in scope of ARIN.  In effect, all the 
blow back falls on the network with this decision.

Albert Erdmann
Network Administrator
Paradise On Line Inc.

On Mon, 20 May 2019, Owen DeLong wrote:

>> On May 18, 2019, at 4:59 PM, Michel Py <michel at arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us> wrote:
>> Hi Paul,
>>> Paul Wilson wrote
>>> I have also felt an obligation to do what’s possible to satisfy
>>> APNIC members’ stated need for IPv4 addressing options.
>> It's not only APNIC, it's universal. We squat in the ARIN region, too.
>>> Here’s an effort, from 10 years back, which was regarded as impossible at the time:
>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wilson-class-e-02
>>> What seemed impossible 10 years ago may not have been, and maybe we’ll say the same in another 10.
>> Thanks for authoring it. If it had gone through in 2008, we would not be in the squatting mess we are now.
> You have no evidence to support that assertion.
> Owen
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