[arin-ppml] Solving the squatting problem

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Fri May 17 14:54:15 EDT 2019


Um, did IETF delegate 240/4 to IANA to manage at all?

Seems to me that we would first need an RFC to do that (or one which amends RFC-1918 to add 240/4 to it, taking IANA out of the loop).

Since I don’ t think there’s a benefit to having IANA in the loop and I think we’d need IETF action on the matter to proceed anyway, I don’t see an advantage to adding IANA to the mix.

Owen


> On May 16, 2019, at 7:34 PM, David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu> wrote:
> 
> I suppose we could try a global policy that would have to pass in all 5 RIRs requesting IANA and the IETF to allocate 240/4 for Private Use. If that were to actually occur, it seems difficult for the IETF to ignore such a request. While on the other hand, I'm not sure there would be a consensus within the ARIN community, let alone the other RIRs, to do such a thing anyway. Nevertheless, there is no way for ARIN to unilaterally allocate 240/4 for any purpose.
> 
> On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 21:09 Mark Andrews <marka at isc.org <mailto:marka at isc.org>> wrote:
> 240/4 isn’t ARIN’s to allocate or do you think ARIN should squat on the space? :-)
> 
> > On 17 May 2019, at 11:48 am, Michel Py <michel at arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us <mailto:michel at arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us>> wrote:
> > 
> >> Joe Provo wrote :
> >> By all means, go tilt at the class e windmill if you like;
> >> it will only be the fourth time or so, I can't recall.
> > 
> > I was trying to convince Owen to co-author with me ;-)
> > 
> >> But it isn't anything for ARIN policy, so feel free to take it up at the IETF...
> > 
> > I would not waste more time there.
> > ARIN is the entity having the squatting problem : we have members who use the resources of another member and they should not.
> > 
> > There is precedent, Owen will remember that I'm sure. During the early days, there was no IPv6 multi-homing solution. The RIRs, not the IETF, started to allocate IPv6 PI addresses to organizations who wanted to multi-home, while there was no such thing as IPv6 PI. I remember that the IETF was not happy with that, but it worked : since then, we have IPv6 multi-homing, the good old way that works, not any of the dirty hacks that were on the table at the time.
> > 
> > ARIN allocates 240/4 for private unicast to ARIN members.
> > Maybe we could convince Geoff and APNIC to try the alternative way.
> > Long shot, I know.
> > 
> > Owen, you allow your vision of "all IPv6" to cloud your judgment. Turning IPv4 off is not going to happen for decades.
> > 
> > Michel.
> > 
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