[arin-ppml] Solving the squatting problem

David Farmer farmer at umn.edu
Thu May 16 22:34:31 EDT 2019


I suppose we could try a global policy that would have to pass in all 5
RIRs requesting IANA and the IETF to allocate 240/4 for Private Use. If
that were to actually occur, it seems difficult for the IETF to ignore such
a request. While on the other hand, I'm not sure there would be a consensus
within the ARIN community, let alone the other RIRs, to do such a thing
anyway. Nevertheless, there is no way for ARIN to unilaterally allocate
240/4 for any purpose.

On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 21:09 Mark Andrews <marka at isc.org> wrote:

> 240/4 isn’t ARIN’s to allocate or do you think ARIN should squat on the
> space? :-)
>
> > On 17 May 2019, at 11:48 am, Michel Py <
> michel at arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us> wrote:
> >
> >> Joe Provo wrote :
> >> By all means, go tilt at the class e windmill if you like;
> >> it will only be the fourth time or so, I can't recall.
> >
> > I was trying to convince Owen to co-author with me ;-)
> >
> >> But it isn't anything for ARIN policy, so feel free to take it up at
> the IETF...
> >
> > I would not waste more time there.
> > ARIN is the entity having the squatting problem : we have members who
> use the resources of another member and they should not.
> >
> > There is precedent, Owen will remember that I'm sure. During the early
> days, there was no IPv6 multi-homing solution. The RIRs, not the IETF,
> started to allocate IPv6 PI addresses to organizations who wanted to
> multi-home, while there was no such thing as IPv6 PI. I remember that the
> IETF was not happy with that, but it worked : since then, we have IPv6
> multi-homing, the good old way that works, not any of the dirty hacks that
> were on the table at the time.
> >
> > ARIN allocates 240/4 for private unicast to ARIN members.
> > Maybe we could convince Geoff and APNIC to try the alternative way.
> > Long shot, I know.
> >
> > Owen, you allow your vision of "all IPv6" to cloud your judgment.
> Turning IPv4 off is not going to happen for decades.
> >
> > Michel.
> >
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