[arin-ppml] Of interest?

Scott Leibrand scottleibrand at gmail.com
Thu May 16 15:45:33 EDT 2019

How would ARIN know whose pictures they were?  If they were presented with
forged copies of identity documents for non-existent people, how do you
expect they would validate whether they're legitimate or not?  Particularly
if the scammer had captured a notary willing to falsely attest to the
validity of forgeries...

I expect that ARIN has considerably improved the rigor of their validations
since the first waitlist space was given out, and expect them to continue
doing so in the future.  I wouldn't expect them to discuss specifics of
their validation methods on a public mailing list, as they don't want to
inform potential scammers of what they'd need to do to bypass ARIN's checks.

We're probably better of getting back on topic and talking about what
number resource policy should be, not trying to reverse-engineer and
armchair-quarterback ARIN's procedures for implementing it.


On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 12:40 PM Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg at tristatelogic.com>

> In message <98EA0DB9-E347-40C6-A31E-362A07DB98DC at arin.net>,
> John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:
> >       I am not commenting on any particular matter, but note that ARIN
> has asked
> > for copies of government-issued identification in the past, and that is
> not
> >an assured protection mechanism (just as requiring notarized documents
> >cannot be 100% relied upon.)
> John,
> You made a clear and unambiguous assertion, i.e. that ARIN, as part
> of its vetting process, requires copies of personal identification
> documents.
> As I noted, the official and public legal filings, including transcripts
> of comments made in open court by ARIN's legal counsel, Steve Ryan,
> state that none of people who were represented, to ARIN, as being
> "officers" of these various ficitious entities... entities to which
> ARIN assigned several MILLION dollars worth of valuable property...
> ever actually existed.
> So I ask again, whose pictures were on the personal identification
> documents that you have claimed ARIN has been collecting, as part
> of its vetting?
> In lieu of a response, would it be wrong for unbaised observers to
> conclude that, contrary to your assertion, ARIN has -not- actually
> been either asking for or obtaining personal identification
> documents for any officers of any of the companies to which ARIN
> is routinely awarding great gobs of valuable property?
> It would be Nice to believe that ARIN *is* doing proper vetting of
> applicants, including but not limited to requiring copies of
> personal identification documents.  But the evidence at hand
> unambiguously suggests that this is not in fact the case, and that
> ARIN does and did assign lots of valuable property to phantoms.
> I may be alone in this view, but that is not my idea of "good
> stewardship".
> Regards,
> rfg
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