[arin-ppml] Advisory Council Recommendation Regarding NRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests

Fernando Frediani fhfrediani at gmail.com
Thu May 16 10:52:24 EDT 2019

Everything that is in the waiting list should be limited to a /22 per 

There is no sense nor is reasonable now a days to fulfill a request to a 
/18 or even a /15 which is the case there.

Perhaps it can be adjusted at some point and more people can be more 
fairly served.


On 16/05/2019 11:36, Tom Pruitt wrote:
> There are currently 246 entries on the waiting list that were there 
> prior to the suspension.   Maybe some thought should go into allowing 
> those organizations to get their requested minimum acceptable prefix 
> size using the 500k addresses ARIN is reclaiming.  Anything that was 
> added to the list after Feb 7 2019 ( the date the suspension was 
> posted) would be subject to the new policy, whatever that may be.
> Tom Pruitt
> *From:* ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> *On Behalf Of *Tom 
> Fantacone
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 16, 2019 9:01 AM
> *To:* John Curran <jcurran at arin.net>
> *Cc:* arin-ppml <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] Advisory Council Recommendation Regarding 
> NRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests
> At 06:18 PM 5/15/2019, John Curran wrote:
>     On 15 May 2019, at 2:47 PM, Tom Fantacone <tom at iptrading.com
>     <mailto:tom at iptrading.com>> wrote:
>     > If we remove the waiting list activity of this one fraudster,
>     how much
>     > "statistically likely" fraud is left?
>     > Was this one bad actor so bad that he accounted for almost all
>     the likely
>     > fraud on the waiting list?
>     > Do we still even have a waiting list problem?
>     Approximately half of the address blocks that were received from
>     the waiting list and subsequently transferreed are affiliated with
>     MICFO entities.
> That's a lot of addresses and a high percentage of all waiting list 
> allocations.  The genesis of ARIN suspending the waiting list and 
> requesting/recommending changes to it to prevent fraud was the 
> appearance of  "likely fraud" based on the behavior of a small handful 
> of bad actors robbing the waiting list of a large number of 
> addresses.  Am I right to assume that there was really one bad actor 
> (with a handful of bad aliases)?
> Obviously ARIN cannot state with certainty that there is no other 
> fraud on the list, but if Micfo and its entities had never done what 
> they did, would ARIN have even seen a problem with the waiting list?
> John Sweeting's presentation of suspected waiting list abuse is here:
> Youtube:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJHgs4wWO58
> Transcript:
> https://www.arin.net/vault/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_42/ppm1_transcript.html#anchor_5 
> If virtually all this misbehavior was this one guy, and he's been 
> stopped, do we still want to change the waiting list system and hurt 
> the overwhelming majority of honest players?
>     > Perhaps we still want to take strong measures to prevent this from
>     > happening in the future, but before making that determination,
>     I'd like
>     > to know the answers to the above
>     >
>     > And on a related note, can anyone at ARIN tell us the total
>     aggregate
>     > space that is currently being requested on the waiting list?
>     The entire waiting list is available here -
>     https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/ipv4/waiting_list/
>     <https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/ipv4/waiting_list/>
> Thanks, John.  I was looking for totals but the list was easy enough 
> to import into a spreadsheet and tally up.  By my count the space 
> being requested totals to roughly 825K addresses, and about 775K is 
> the "minimum acceptable size" total.  The 500K addresses ARIN is 
> reclaiming will go a long way in satisfying that demand.
> Are any of the existing waiting list requests from Micfo entities or 
> have those already been scrubbed?
>     Thanks!
>     /John
>     John Curran
>     President and CEO
>     American Registry for Internet Numbers
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