[arin-ppml] [EXT] Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

Jimmy Hess mysidia at gmail.com
Wed May 8 16:15:32 EDT 2019

On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 2:19 PM Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:

> On May 7, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Marilson Mapa <marilson.mapa at gmail.com> wrote:
> ...

> I mentioned the creation of BGP that replaced EGP, with policy-based
> routing, a routing based on a set of non-technical rules, defined by
> Autonomous Systems, to BGP4 designed to withstand the problems caused by
> the great growth of the Internet.
> Yes, I remember it well. BGP4’s major enhancement vs. prior versions was
> the introduction of CIDR to cope with the growth of the routing table. This
> was a problem encountered well before the frenzy of e-commerce, web sites,
> etc. Literally, people were still managing routers with Telnet. BARRnet was
> still propagating RIP announcements from their customers into BGP. The
> security model at the time on the internet was literally that of a small
> town where only good actors were expected to participate.

> I have a file with 1.3 GB of criminal attitudes from ISPs, Registrars and
> ICANN, protecting and hiding spammers and scammers. Scammers who were often
> the providers themselves. Since 2014 I have sent spam and scam reports to
> these institutions. There were hundreds of ISPs, and everyone, without
> exception, protected and concealed their customers. So keep these old
> wives’ tale for your grandchildren.
> On the internet back then, a lot happened in 8 years… BGP4 was introduced
> with RFC-4271 in 2006. We must consider the environment of that time when
> we are going to judge those who designed and built BGP4, not the
> environment of 2014.

Just one thing.... 2006?   More like 1994.
If BGP Version 4 was a person: he/she would be old enough to drink.
Proposed standard for BGP4 was RFC1654: later obsoleted by RFC1771, then


I agree with Owen to say something was a "flawwed design";   is to say that
was because the designer made a mistake:  which I am not convinced is the

You need to understand what the original environment was for BGP4:  what the
original problem was.    For the solution the conceptual task to be
the objectives,  requirements,  constraints,  and assumptions behind the
system are.

The 2019 internet, and even the 2006 internet was likely not a reasonably
use for a design that had happened before 1994.

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