[arin-ppml] Of interest?

[Paul McNary]

The notary point John raises is valid. ARIN does thoroughly vet transfers
that I have known about. After that it is a criminal act outside of 
their action other
than testify and observe and file paperwork. They appear to have done 
good work in the fraud
case.

On 5/18/2019 10:50 PM, John Curran wrote:
> On 18 May 2019, at 10:38 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg at tristatelogic.com> wrote:
>> In message <BEEB33F0-D800-4099-B5A7-8AD232DC8B5F at arin.net>,
>> John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Ronald -
>>>
>>> However, it is quite likely that the state registration issue would have
>>> been promptly corrected once raised, at which point we would have ended up
>>> with the same outcome.
>> It's an arguably valid point, but I disagree, for the following reasons.
>>
>> It's one thing to try to run a fraud against a non-governmental private
>> non-profit organization, like ARIN, which has both a strong incentive
>> never to litigate and also a strong and widely-known history of vitrually
>> never doing so.  It is quite another thing entirely to commit a fraud
>> where the gateway requirement to begin the scam is to perpetrate at least
>> a portion of the fraud against one or more of these United States.
> Ronald -
>
> 	Incorrect - a party that retains someone to notarize fraudulent documents for submission to ARIN is already well over that line, with both state and federal statutes violated.
>
> 	For the additional state registration to be a deterrent for such parties, they’d effectively be of belief that “We’re not worried about the federal wire fraud charges we’ll be facing, nor our existing state fraud we’re perpetrating with our specious corporation registration in our home state, but _are_ deeply concerned about the tax registration in second state, so let’s quit now.”
>
> 	Can you explain why the additional crime is particularly burdensome?
>
> Thanks!
> /John
>
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>
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