[arin-ppml] [EXT] Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

[Joe Provo]

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On Thu, May 02, 2019 at 12:30:38PM +0200, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML wrote:
[snip]
> So, you???re saying that if an ARIN member is *acting* against
> the exclusive rights of use resources allocated to other members,
> not by accident, and repeatedly, is just *fine* and ARIN should not
> even remind the member that he is acting against the rules?

No one says that, and your assertion that people are "with us 
on this specific formulation of this proposal or obviously support 
all forms of abuse" is both offensively polarizing and wildly 
incorrect. Existing process doesn't say that. Again, it is IMO 
outside the scope of policy, and handling such is covered under 
item 4 of the first paragraph of 
https://www.arin.net/reference/tools/fraud_report/

"This reporting process is to be used to notify the American 
 Registry for Internet Numbers, Ltd. (ARIN) of suspected Internet 
 number resource abuse [...] or (4) hijacking of number resources 
 in ARIN's database."

It seems that underlying the proposal is some form of unstated
dissatisfaction with that process, or the public reporting of 
results available on
https://www.arin.net/reference/tools/fraud_report/results/

Perhaps there's something specific you can cite? Or that you'd 
be wanting to see more detail for some of the issues? Or that 
the actions don't go far enough?

[snip]
> Our goal is to have this in the 5 RIRs. If some of the regions 
> decide not to go for it, they will have less credibility than 
> those that go for it.

Since you aren't taking this through the Global Policy process,
you have chosen to work within the vagaries of different regional 
processes, which exist as a natural consequence of Global Policy 
ICP-2. I know you're specifically frustrated with these regional 
variances, but I'd caution you to reflect upon the the floor 
discussion from APNIC47 and overall reception for APNIC-prop-126 
before indicating that regions who operate differently are 
somehow "less credible".

Flatly, I see this as an assertion that ICP-2 doesn't apply 
in your situation because it happens to be inconvenient to
work through the bottom-up process appropriate for each region. 

Again, the scope matter for this proposal is now with the board
but IMO *all* of this is outside the PDP as it is ARIN business
operations.  

Cheers,

Joe

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