[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-4: Allow Inter-regional IPv6 Resource Transfers

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Wed Mar 27 11:50:35 EDT 2019


I am opposed to opening up specified recipient transfers for IPv6 in virtually all cases.

I would be less opposed to inter-RIR transfers of IPv6 resources within the same organization if the policy provided adequate safeguards against registry policy shopping.

It’s not clear to me, however, that there is a good path to creating such safeguards.

Owen


> On Mar 27, 2019, at 01:28 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml at arin.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
>  
> Sorry if somehow my input was “miss procedural” … the reason for that is because I’ve proposed an equivalent policy in several RIRs (in terms the final result: allowing IPv6 transfers), and this was one of the examples I’ve used.
>  
> And just to make it clear, I also support the policy proposal for the reasons indicated in the actual proposal text.
>  
> Here is a message about that with some other examples:
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> https://mailman.apnic.net/mailing-lists/sig-policy/archive/2019/03/msg00003.html <https://mailman.apnic.net/mailing-lists/sig-policy/archive/2019/03/msg00003.html>
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> Regarsds,
> Jordi
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> El 27/3/19 2:40, "David Farmer" <farmer at umn.edu <mailto:farmer at umn.edu>> escribió:
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> As one of the shepherds for this policy, beyond support for the policy as written, I'm interested to hear if there is support for the use case Jordi describes? 
>  
> The use case Jordi describes seems meaningfully different than the use case described in the original problem statement. It seems plausible that there are resolutions, other than the transfer of IPv6, to the RPKI issues described in the current problem statement. However, for the use case that Jordi describes, some kind of the inter-RIR M&A transfer, the transfer of IPv6 resources seems like it could be reasonable, even if the RPKI issues are resolved by means other than this policy.
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> So, should Jordi's use case be included in addition to the current problem statement?
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> Are there other use cases for the inter-RIR transfer of IPv6 resources that should be considered in the problem statement as well?
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> Thanks.
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>  
> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:46 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml at arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net>> wrote:
>> In favor of the proposal.
>> 
>> My point of view is on the other way around.
>> 
>> This policy is needed, because if there is a company under an M&A or reorganization, it seems clear that then it is transferred IPv4, IPv6, ASN. But there may be cases where is not entirely failing into that category.
>> 
>> For example, a "relocation". A company having VMs in data centers, in Europe (with resources from RIPE NCC) and moving to US (for whatever reasons). I don't expect they will renumber the VMs, they will just copy & synchronize the VMs and switch off the old VMs.
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>> It will not make sense to tell them "you can transfer" your IPv4 resources, but you need to renumber IPv6.
>> 
>> There may be other cases which similar needs.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Jordi
>> 
>> 
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>> El 26/3/19 22:35, "ARIN-PPML en nombre de John Santos" <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> en nombre de john at egh.com <mailto:john at egh.com>> escribió:
>> 
>> 
>>     On 3/26/2019 3:52 PM, ARIN wrote:
>>     > There is an operational need to allow RIR transfers of IPv6 resources 
>>     > between RIRs with an equivalent transfer policy. ARIN’s RPKI Trust 
>>     > Anchor (TA) is measurably less widely deployed than TAs from other 
>>     > RIRs. As a consequence, RPKI ROAs published through ARIN offer less 
>>     > value. Operators seeking to extract the most value from their 
>>     > investment in IPv6 would benefit from the ability to transfer IPv6 
>>     > resources to RIRs with more widely deployed RPKI Trust Anchors.
>>     Wouldn't it make more sense to increase the deployment of RPKI in the 
>>     ARIN region than to open this can of worms?
>> 
>>     -- 
>>     John Santos
>>     Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc.
>>     781-861-0670 ext 539
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