[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-2: Waiting List Block Size Restriction

[Brian Jones]

I agree with David that it is not the intended function of ARIN to police
bad actors, however it is important to be able to keep allocations
documented as well as possible. It is very difficult to predetermine bad
actors and I’m not sure there is any way in policy to verify that
definitively or if it is even worth the effort to try. Bad actors will be
bad actors and network operators continue to find ways to mitigate issues
from bad actors almost on a daily basis any more. I don’t see that changing
regardless of what policy the ARIN community adopts.

A huge +1 to this statement;

“...but punishing those bad actors is not ARIN's role in society. ARIN
needs to manage the risk they represent to ARIN's mission and support those
that society has charged with dealing with them, generally law enforcement.
"

—
Brian



On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 11:13 AM David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu> wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 10:51 PM Ronald F. Guilmette <
> rfg at tristatelogic.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> In message <Pine.LNX.4.64.1902271845490.31881 at localhost.localdomain>,
>> hostmaster at uneedus.com wrote:
>>
>> >Also needed is language that M&A and Bankruptcy transfers of the
>> >IPv4 addresses can only happen when they are transferred to a new owner
>> >ALONG WITH the underlying network equipment/business using those IPv4
>> >addresses.
>>
>> That may not even be good enough to prevent abuse.
>>
>
> First, the mission of ARIN and the primary goal of its policies is not to
> prevent or even limit abuse, the primary goal of ARIN policy is to allocate
> resources in support of the operation of the Internet, through policies
> that are fair and impartial, technically sound, and supported by the
> community that has to abide by them.
>
> Limiting abuse while important and necessary is actually a secondary goal
> and the tactics needed to outright prevent abuse are probably run counter
> to the primary goal. Remember everything you do to limit bad actors also
> creates burdens on the good actors too, so this is always a balancing act.
> I not saying good actors should have no burdens, but this is a risk
> management exercise. The level of the burden we put on good actors needs to
> be commensurate with the risk bad actors represent to ARIN's mission.
>
> ARIN could probably greatly limit abuse by requiring proof of 5-year
> active credit history or $10,000 surety bond for all new organizations
> doing business with ARIN. But that would create a significant burden for
> many legitimate organizations starting out. Good actors and bad actors look
> pretty much the same at first, it takes multiple interactions to develop a
> pattern that could confirm any suspicions that an entity is a bad actor.
>
> Nobody should ever underestimate the creativity of financially motivated
>> and ethically bankrupt actors.
>>
>
> I'm not, but punishing those bad actors is not ARIN's role in society.
> ARIN needs to manage the risk they represent to ARIN's mission and support
> those that society has charged with dealing with them, generally law
> enforcement.
>
>
>> Microsoft used to sell certain Windows licenses with the stiputaion that
>> they were only to be used in conjunction with new computers.
>>
>> It didn't take long for the bottom feeders to start reselling said
>> Windows licenses along with one of the following "new computers":
>>
>> https://bit.ly/2EA1ix6
>>
>
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