[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-10: Inter-RIR M&A - Seeking Community Comments / 2019-04

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Wed Jul 17 22:26:27 EDT 2019


Speaking only for myself, I certainly will be taking all of the comments into consideration for all policies to which they appear relevant.

I’m quite certain that my fellow AC members and I are able to discern what fractions of the comments are most applicable to which policy proposals. Discussions evolve organically. Threads merge, threads severe, and often related proposals get discussed in overlapping threads. While this can make our job more difficult on occasion (sometimes sorting them out can be a bit of a challenge), it’s usually not an issue.

Owen


> On Jul 17, 2019, at 19:21 , Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On 17/07/2019 16:40, Job Snijders wrote:
>> (recognising that this thread is less and less about M&A and more and more about 2019-04. I apologize for having contributed to a conflation of the two policy proposals. I hope the AC will recontextualize these comments)
> I hope this is not an attempt to take the AC to disregard the most comments contrary to IPv6 transfers and only take into account those manifested in favor in order to pass this proposal. Perhaps I just misunderstood and AC will take all comments into consideration.
> 
> Kind regards
> Fernando
> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 12:39:54PM -0400, Joe Provo wrote:
>> > > 1/ Currently the ARIN RPKI TAL is measurably less deployed than any of
>> > [snip]
>> > 
>> > I fail to understand bringing this back into it. You were flatly asked
>> > when the TAL issue is resolved, would this policy still be needed and
>> > your answer was yes, because of desire [citation
>> > https://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/2019-April/066381.html <https://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/2019-April/066381.html>].
>> 
>> My intention was to bring up as a real example where a RIR's policy leads to tangible operational issues. In the email you reference, my observation is that that RIRs evolve over time and may perform excellent, or perhaps regress. This is the nature of any organization - staff, board, and zeitgeist all change over time. Heck, even the legal environment or risk profile can change, forcing a RIR's hand to make certain choices; this in turn influences the choices operators may make.
>> 
>> Since a RIR's 'performance' (for lack of better wording) is not fixed but rather is a variable, I think the concept of a “lock-in” may have downsides in some scenarios.
>> 
>> > Registry shopping is counter to ICP-2 and I assert a Bad Thing for the Internet as a whole.
>> 
>> Can I ask you to explain to me in layman’s words how or where ICP-2 suggests choice of RIR (transfers / mobility) explicitly was not a goal? 
>> 
>> Even if resource lock-in was an objective, isn't strange that the implementation of that idea depends on a single emerging technology (IPv6), where a resource transfer blockage is used as the enforcement mechanism to prevent "registry shopping"? Do we accept as an extreme outcome that ARIN maybe one day mostly is an IPv6 resource registry (meaning the other types of Number Resources are managed elsewhere)?
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Job
>> 
>> 
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