[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-10: Inter-RIR M&A - Seeking Community Comments
JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
jordi.palet at consulintel.es
Wed Jul 17 17:09:25 EDT 2019
The cost of doing all that has been done already for IPv4 and by other RIRs.
It is one-time development cost anyway (to adapt the changes to IPv6), so not a giant effort. And by the way, it has been done already to allow that working among RIPE and APNIC, and I believe there is plenty of cooperation among RIRs in order to share developments, engineering, knowledge and so on.
Furthermore, there is not such human resources cost as all those proceses, as every policy implementation in any RIR, become automated.
Regarding the cost of a member "leaving" ARIN membership, it is comparable to the reverse case, when a RIPE or APNIC member moves to ARIN. This is something that we need to live with, but is part of the set of services that the RIRs offer, to a global community, not just to a specific region.
Consequently, I don't think this is a valid argument to object to this proposal.
El 17/7/19 22:17, "ARIN-PPML en nombre de Jimmy Hess" <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net en nombre de mysidia at gmail.com> escribió:
On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 11:37 PM Job Snijders <job at ntt.net> wrote:
> Even if inter-RIR transfers were permitted, ARIN would still
> operationally be responsible for all delegations under the
> "0.6.2.ip6.arpa." zone. So, no issue there.
No.... that is exactly one potential issue. An entity wishing to move
their networks around ought to bear costs of their moves; the RIR
such as ARIN should not be subsidizing an entity's choice to move
out of region and continue to keep everything nice and convenient for
that resource holder by incurring extra costs against the fees paid by
other still-in-region members to help facilitate the operations of some
small number of 'wanting to move out' resource holders; This
is not in the interests of the regional community whom its ARIN's
mission to serve to be in a position of continuing to provide
a Reverse DNS service to the entity that moved out after they
are no longer an ARIN customer, And "fragmenting" in this
manner is exactly what this forces upon ARIN.
The kind of Reverse DNS Zone that is simplest for RIRs to have
software, systems, and process to manage -- is one where all the
NS delegations are predictable and match up exactly with database
entries created by customers linked to a direct allocation or assignment.
And the requirement to maintain additional, extra nameserver delegations
for "transferred blocks" means designing, developing, or maintaining,
systems, algorithms, and management processes which involve
more ARIN staff time being used to operate, and a
greater minimum complexity than the simplest form
(which would meet the simpler requirements of each delegation
maintained by an ARIN customer).
Aside from the administrative burden that ARIN now would have to
maintain an entirely additional set of delegations and database entries
which are for out-of-region usage on transferred out V6 space, and
have processes and people to update these entries from time to time:
when the end user's downstream nameserver addresses change.
To keep such a transfer in effect and reverse DNS working properly:
ARIN (and therefore other ARIN members) would effectively have to
also bear an ongoing cost on behalf of the foreign registrant in perpetuity
without compensation for the services, because that organization will
be cancelling their relationship with ARIN and/or no longer be paying
any maintenance fee for that block of addresses.
Meanwhile.... ARIN continues to have to maintain DNS servers with
computational and bandwidth resources allocated
to answering queries that come for the reverse DNS range of THAT block
transferred out and maintaining a set of nameserver delegations in the
reverse DNS zone for the "transferred out" address block in order to do so.
And the VOLUME (total number of reverse DNS queries per day) per
block varies with the usage of that block, size, etc,
so it is non-predictable.
ARIN likely needs that entity as a customer while delegating reverse
DNS to them,
in order to be be able to charge maintenance fees to compensate ARIN for
costs of providing the service of answering the reverse DNS
You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to
the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML at arin.net).
Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:
Please contact info at arin.net if you experience any issues.
IPv4 is over
Are you ready for the new Internet ?
The IPv6 Company
This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it.
More information about the ARIN-PPML