[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool

Mon Jul 29 21:16:43 EDT 2019

Hello Mike

What about new entrants ? I firmly see that new entrants and the most 
important to be looked at as having a minimal allocation from the RIR is 
the bare minimal condition for them to exist in the Internet in first 
place and do minimal business, therefore any recovered addresses should 
be prioritized to be given to these new entrants. After that in terms of 
importance comes the 4.10 and 4.4 sections that are equally important as 
they apply to Autonomous Systems that already exist in the Internet. As 
mentioned 4.10 doesn't necessarily apply to all types of ISP or End-users.
If new entrants are not privileged with any space that ARIN has to 
distribute they become an ASN, receive a IPv6 and must go to market to 
get *any* IPv4 space which would be not only unfair with them but also 
but a quiet big block for them to exist as business.

Therefore I can only support this draft if it's changed to reflect this 
scenario.

Best regards
Fernando Frediani

On 29/07/2019 18:32, Mike Burns wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> My purpose in authoring this proposal was to starve the Waiting list 
> to death by preventing further unpredictable influxes of addresses.
>
> I would support allocating returned addresses to both 4.10 and 4.4 
> pools, or whichever might need them most.
>
> I know the 4.10 pool is largely untapped, but I’m not sure about the 
> 4.4 pool, so maybe it would be better to place returned space there.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> *From:* ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> *On Behalf Of *Mike 
> Arbrouet
> *Sent:* Monday, July 29, 2019 5:03 PM
> *To:* Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com>; arin-ppml at arin.net
> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned 
> Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool
>
> Having read the Problem Statement and understood what is being 
> proposed, I'd kindly advise that this policy should also consider 
> allocating the returned addresses not only to the ARIN 4.10 reserved 
> pool - but also the ARIN 4.4 micro-allocation pool for critical 
> infrastructure providers of the Internet , specifically public 
> exchange points. Both would help on the improvement of the end-user 
> experience given the actual depletion of IPv4
>
> Mike Arbrouet, CISSP- CISM
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:*ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net 
> <mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net>> on behalf of Fernando Frediani 
> <fhfrediani at gmail.com <mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com>>
> *Sent:* Monday, July 29, 2019 10:39:32 AM
> *To:* arin-ppml at arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned 
> Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool
>
> I find it interesting the idea of privileging the pool dedicated to
> facilitate IPv6 Deployment and I also agree with the comments below in
> the sense that it's not very beneficial do most ARIN members due to max
> size, /22, cannot be holding more than a /20.
>
> However one point I couldn't identify is where the new entrants stand in
> this new possible scenario ? Will they only be able to apply under the
> 4.10 reserved pool ? If so for a access/broadband ISPs may be easier to
> fit, but not necessarily for other scenarios and types of ISPs.
> Therefore if I didn't miss anything these returned addresses should also
> be able to go to new entrants, not only to 4.10 reserved pool conditions.
>
> Best regards
> Fernando Frediani
>
> On 25/07/2019 17:32, Tom Fantacone wrote:
> > I found the wording of the Problem Statement on this one a bit
> > confusing. However, after deciphering the effect of the actual policy
> > change I support it.
> >
> > Essentially, all returned IPv4 space will no longer go to the waiting
> > list but will supplement the 4.10 reserved pool used to enhance IPv6
> > deployment.  This essentially kills off the waiting list.
> >
> > The recent restrictions placed on the waiting list to reduce fraud
> > have hobbled it to the point where it's not very beneficial to most
> > ARIN members.  (Max size, /22, cannot be holding more than a /20).
> > It's essentially only useful to new entrants, but those that go on it
> > still have to wait many months to receive their small allocation.  If
> > they justify need now, but have to wait that long, how critical is
> > their need if they're willing to wait that long? Small blocks are not
> > terribly expensive and can be quickly gotten on the transfer market.
> > I can understand waiting that long for a large block needed for a
> > longer term project due to prohibitive cost, but I don't see a great
> > benefit to the waiting list as it stands.
> >
> > Also, if there's any fraud left on the waiting list, this would kill it.
> >
> > I would hope, however, that if implemented, those currently on the
> > waiting list would be grandfathered in.  I do think some entities with
> > legitimate need got burned on the last change made to the waiting list.
> >
> > At 04:05 PM 7/23/2019, ARIN wrote:
> >> On 18 July 2019, the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted
> >> "ARIN-prop-276: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool" as a
> >> Draft Policy.
> >>
> >> Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17 is below and can be found at:
> >>
> >> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2019_17/
> >>
> >> You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will
> >> evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this
> >> draft policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource
> >> policy as stated in the Policy Development Process (PDP).
> >> Specifically, these principles are:
> >>
> >> * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration
> >> * Technically Sound
> >> * Supported by the Community
> >>
> >> The PDP can be found at:
> >> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/
> >>
> >> Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:
> >> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Sean Hopkins
> >> Policy Analyst
> >> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
> >>
> >> Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool
> >>
> >> Problem Statement:
> >>
> >> An inconsistent and unpredictable stream of address space is an
> >> unsuitable method of populating the waiting list (4.1.8.1) and
> >> fulfilling subsequent requests.
> >>
> >> Policy statement:
> >>
> >> Change "4.10. Dedicated IPv4 Block to Facilitate IPv6 Deployment" to
> >> "4.10 Dedicated IPv4 Pool to Facilitate IPv6 Deployment"
> >>
> >> Change" When ARIN receives its last /8 IPv4 allocation from IANA, a
> >> contiguous /10 IPv4 block will be set aside and dedicated to
> >> facilitate IPv6 deployment. Allocations and assignments from this
> >> block " to "In addition to the contiguous /10 IPv4 block set aside
> >> and dedicated to facilitate IPv6 deployment, all returns and
> >> revocations of IPv4  blocks will be added to the pool of space
> >> dedicated to the facilitation of IPv6 deployment. Allocations and
> >> assignments from this pool "
> >>
> >> Change "This block will be subject to a minimum size allocation of
> >> /28 and a maximum size allocation of /24. ARIN should use sparse
> >> allocation when possible within that /10 block." to "This pool will
> >> be subject to a minimum size allocation of /28 and a maximum sized
> >> allocation of /24. ARIN should use sparse allocation when possible
> >> within the pool."
> >>
> >> Comments:
> >>
> >> Timetable for implementation: Immediate
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