[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-10: Inter-RIR M&A - Seeking Community Comments

Mon Jul 15 15:40:06 EDT 2019

Yes… It would be nice if RIPE would move to a system similar to the other RIRs where there
is a single comprehensive policy document which is amended through the PDP rather than
their current RFC (usually without the back references and without the advantages of a
responsible RFC editor curating the “obsoletes” and “obsoleted by” references) process.

Nonetheless, Jordi is correct in that RIPE (relatively recently) adopted a policy to inflict this change and now it is being shopped around to the other RIRs.

Personally, I remain opposed for the same reasons stated by Albert.

Owen

> On Jul 15, 2019, at 12:25 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml at arin.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Albert,
> 
> I think you looked at the wrong RIPE documents. Unless I got it wrong, the right document is RIPE-682, and it clearly states that IPv6 can also be transferred (both intra and inter-RIR).
> 
> I've a similar policy proposal in LACNIC and APNIC, and working as well for submitting in a few days a similar one to AFRINIC.
> 
> Regards,
> Jordi
> @jordipalet
> 
> 
> 
> El 15/7/19 20:52, "arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net en nombre de hostmaster at uneedus.com" <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net en nombre de hostmaster at uneedus.com> escribió:
> 
>    The only problem I have with this policy is that allows IPv6 transfers.
> 
>    I have no problem with IPv4 and 16 bit ASN transfers because they are both 
>    scarce resources.  However, I do not think we should start down the road 
>    of allowing IPv6 RIR transfers.  If they are operating in a portion of the 
>    world under another RIR, let them get their IPv6 resources from the new 
>    RIR blocks. While I have no problem giving them a period of time with both 
>    blocks to move their IPv6 resources to blocks controlled by the new RIR, I 
>    do not think we should start down that path with IPv6 for the first time. 
>    Movement of IPv6 is nowhere as hard as IPv4 with its constrained CIDR 
>    routing.  IPv6 is easy, every LAN gets a /64.
> 
>    I did a bit of checking and RIPE, normally the most liberal of the RIR's 
>    does not permit IPv6 transfers, and I think it should stay that way.  It 
>    appears that all the other RIR's do not as well.  Afrinic has a proposal 
>    to allow it, but it has not been adopted.
> 
>    If the proposal applies only to IPv4 and 16 bit ASN's, I have no problem, 
>    otherwise I am opposed.
> 
>    Albert Erdmann
>    Network Administrator
>    Paradise On Line Inc.
> 
>    On Mon, 15 Jul 2019, Kerrie Vassall-Richards wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Good day everyone,
>> 
>> I am seeking community input on Draft Policy ARIN-2019-10: Inter-RIR M&A since the last post on this policy on May 21, 2019 there has not been any conversat
>> ion around it. As primary shepherd I need to have a good sense of the direction that the community wants to take in regards to this policy. As a starting po
>> int I would like to hear from the community if it is thoght the policy is:
>> 
>> * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration
>> * Technically Sound
>> * Supported by the Community
>> 1.Draft Policy ARIN-2019-10 is below and can be found at: https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2019_10/
>> 2.NRPM Version 2019.2 - 10 July 2019 can be found here: https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/nrpm/
>> 3.The Specific section of the NRPM affected by this policy can be found here: https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/nrpm/#8-2-mergers-acquisitions-and-re
>> organizations
>> As a reminder please see the problem and the policy statements
>> Problem Statement:
>> Merger, acquisition, or reorganization activity sometimes results in a 
>> restructuring where company resources, the management of number 
>> resources, or the use of number resources are concentrated outside the 
>> ARIN service region. In this case it may be desirable for the current 
>> legal entity or a legal entity that is a parent, child or sister to move 
>> the servicing of the number resources to a different RIR.
>> Policy Statement:
>> *Add to section 8.2:*
>> 
>> When merger, acquisition, or reorganization activity results in 
>> surviving legal entity that is incorporated outside the ARIN service 
>> region, or focused outside the ARIN service region, or is merging with 
>> an organization that already has a relationship with another RIR, then 
>> resources may be moved to another RIR in accordance with the receiving 
>> RIR’s policies.
>> I look forward to hearing more from everyone on this policy. 
>> 
>> Warm regards
>> 
>> Kerrie
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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