[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-2: Waiting List Block Size Restriction

William Herrin bill at herrin.us
Thu Feb 28 18:35:50 EST 2019

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 9:49 AM ARIN <info at arin.net> wrote:
> A significant percentage of organizations that receive blocks
> from the waiting list subsequently issue these blocks to other
> organizations via 8.3 or 8.4 transfers shortly after the one year
> waiting period required before engaging in such outbound transfers.

I'm shocked to learn that people are playing arbitrage with the
transfer process. Oh wait, no I'm not. I may have even expressed my
expectation that we'd see this sort of behavior back when we debated
the transfer policies. If I had the time, I might dig out my old
emails just so I could say I told you so.

> the organization will be provided the option to be placed on
> a waiting list of pre-qualified recipients, listing both the block size
> qualified for or a /22, whichever is smaller, and the smallest block
> size acceptable, not to exceed a /22.

I fail to see how this solves the problem. For $20k a pop, I can clear
a tidy profit on a year, a shell company and some paperwork. Sure I'd
rather get $200k a pop but the change doesn't make the effort
unattractive. I really just need to create more shell companies.

This approach is reactive. Oh, the fraud is mostly on the big blocks
so stop that. Oh, now the fraud is on the smaller blocks, what do we
do? Don't react. Get ahead of the problem. That's what you do.

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 8:51 PM Robert Clarke <robert at cubemotion.com> wrote:
> How would members feel about entirely removing IPv4 allocations from ARIN directly?
> My proposal is that ARIN auctions off all available IPv4 ranges reserved for allocations under 4.2 policy

Hi Robert,

At this phase in the IPv4 exhaustion, I think that's a novel and
potentially viable idea. Simply release the non-reserved addresses in
to the marketplace buy-and-transfer process. That wouldn't end
speculation but it would end the get it for free and sell it cheating
and it would perfectly level the playing field for folks on the
waiting list. There aren't enough addresses involved, so the money
could simply fund ARIN, reducing the fees for as long as it happens to

Bill Herrin

William Herrin ................ herrin at dirtside.com  bill at herrin.us
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