[arin-ppml] Revised - Draft Policy ARIN-2018-5: Disallow Third-party Organization Record Creation

David Farmer farmer at umn.edu
Tue Feb 5 10:56:29 EST 2019

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 9:10 AM <hostmaster at uneedus.com> wrote:

> I have a question regarding the use of a simple reassignment.  Since this
> does not have any phone or email contacts, what is its purpose and why do
> we have it?  Is it simply to document use of space by the upstream for
> when they come back for more space? It does not seem to help the community
> with abuse reports due to lack of contact information.
> If it is only to document use by the ISP, why have it since there is no
> IPv4 free pool? If it is instead for the community for abuse reports,
> simple reassignment should instead have phone and email, instead of postal
> contacts for the operators of the Downstream.  Currently with a simple,
> there is no real choice but to send abuse complaints to the upstream,
> rather than the actual network operators of a given reassignment.

The primary purpose is documenting usage.  However, it has secondary uses
too, it allows research into assignment practices, it also provides bread
crumbs to law enforcement and anyone else interested in how particular IP
addresses are used.  I find it useful to know particular IP addresses are
assigned to a hospital or an elementary school, even if they are not
sophisticated enough to have IT Staff with direct contact info in the ARIN
database. Obviously, the abuse and operational contacts are the ISP, but
the tidbit of information about who the actual end user is can still be
useful, and can even allow me to avoid me having to contact the ISP in some

Hope that helps.

Albert Erdmann
> Network Administrator
> Paradise On Line Inc.

David Farmer               Email:farmer at umn.edu
Networking & Telecommunication Services
Office of Information Technology
University of Minnesota
2218 University Ave SE        Phone: 612-626-0815
Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029   Cell: 612-812-9952
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