[arin-ppml] DoD to sell 13 x /8 of its IPv4 Blocks over the next 10 years and need for ARIN-2019-19

David Farmer farmer at umn.edu
Thu Dec 19 14:53:56 EST 2019


On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 9:44 AM Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com>
wrote:

> As far as I understand as presented in the URL the text is the one after
> passing on both houses and just lacks President's sanction. As it was
> probably a proposal drafted by the Department of Defense there is no way to
> think that President will refuse it. But I may be missing something on my
> reading.
>

You missed the conference report; from page 1359 of the conference report.

Disposal of IPv4 addresses
      The House amendment contained a provision (sec. 1088)
that would require the Department of Defense to sell several
blocks of internet protocol version 4 addresses over a period
of ten years.
      The Senate bill contained no similar provision.
      The House recedes.


> Also I think Congress has no much choice to keep all this in the case for
> some 'strategic reason' until it worths nothing.
> I even thought they would wish to keep at least 1 x /8 for them but it
> doesn't seem to be the case.
>
> As I said in the first message one very important point othet than the
> selling itself is their direction to move to IPv6 despite some beleivers
> that IPv6 is dead. Would even them making a wrong decision in this regards
> ? I don't think so.
>
> Fernando
>
> On Thu, 19 Dec 2019, 11:06 Bill Woodcock, <woody at pch.net> wrote:
>
>> Apparently it was in the House Bill, but was removed in the Senate
>> version, and didn’t make it through conference.
>>
>>                 -Bill
>>
>>
>> > On Dec 19, 2019, at 14:49, hostmaster at uneedus.com wrote:
>> >
>> > I thought the budget bill already passed.  Did it contain the IPv4
>> sell provisions or not?  Anyone know what the bill number was, and if it
>> was signed by the President?
>> >
>> > Albert Erdmann
>> > Network Administrator
>> > Paradise On Line Inc.
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 19 Dec 2019, Ca By wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 4:03 AM <hostmaster at uneedus.com> wrote:
>> >>      I see this as an instant headache for a lot of larger network
>> operators
>> >>      who are using portions of this DOD space like RFC1918 addresses.
>> Once
>> >>      these addresses become public, those operators are going to have
>> to
>> >>      renumber that space. That is 16.9 million hosts per block used.
>> >>
>> >>      Maybe these operators will take the lead of the DOD and move
>> those hosts
>> >>      to IPv6 instead, where there is plenty of space.  Since the space
>> is
>> >>      already not directly addressable, it would simply be a matter of
>> changing
>> >>      the existing NAT to use v6 as its input, or adding a v6 address
>> to their
>> >>      proxy servers.
>> >> Or maybe nobody moves
>> >> And the USG has no leverage to make them move
>> >> And the value of said addresses is impaired.
>> >> Also, the language requiring the DoD to move has been removed from the
>> bill. Likely because relevant budget organs of government explained how it
>> is
>> >> fiscally impossible to get to ipv6 for them. You can search this
>> archive for one M. Py for a template of what they may say about running old
>> systems.
>> >> I am sure the DoD contractor lobbyist and maybe even address broker
>> lobbyist get those provisions added back, as there is tax payer money to be
>> made
>> >>
>> >>      With all this space likely coming to the market soon, now is the
>> time to
>> >>      adopt the proposal to require v6 use before allowing anyone to
>> receive
>> >>      this v4 space.  While this will help the v4 supply, DOD may find
>> the price
>> >>      collapsed at the end of the 10 year period if IPv6 uptake
>> increases due to
>> >>      DOD and other use of IPv6 instead of IPv4.
>> >>
>> >>      As far as those who suggest the IPv4 space problem is solved,
>> based on use
>> >>      rates before runout, this may buy us 2 or 3 years.  However the
>> DOD has 10
>> >>      years to sell, and by then, the IPv4 market may already be
>> collapsed to
>> >>      near zero levels depending upon the uptake of IPv6, which will be
>> lead by
>> >>      DOD purchases of IPv6 only equipment to follow the mandate.
>> >>
>> >>      Albert Erdmann
>> >>      Network Administrator
>> >>      Paradise On Line Inc.
>> >>
>> >>      On Thu, 19 Dec 2019, Fernando Frediani wrote:
>> >>
>> >>      >
>> >>      > I believe these are relevant news to this list
>> >>      >
>> >>      >
>> https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/1790/text#toc-H3733C370A69A4095B62B213B52530170
>> >>      >
>> >>      > "IPv6 strategy made it into NDAA 2020, requiring DOD to sell 13
>> x /8s
>> >>      > (1) IN GENERAL.—Not later than 10 years after the date of the
>> enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Defense shall sell all of the IPv4
>> >>      addresses described in
>> >>      > subsection (b) at fair market value."
>> >>      >
>> >>      > Finally is happening.
>> >>      > I imagined that one day they would return something, but
>> decided to sell. However, looking at the good side, this makes all this
>> wasted space
>> >>      to become utilized.
>> >>      >
>> >>      > A few questions that arise are: how will this selling process
>> happen, if directly, through brokers, if there will be any mechanism to
>> >>      distribute this selling among
>> >>      > each one of all 5 RIRs or if it will be opened in the model
>> "first come, first served"
>> >>      >
>> >>      > And before something says, I don't believe this will make any
>> big difference to IPv6 implementation to advance or delay it significantly.
>> >>      > Even talking about more than 200 million IPv4 addresses, I
>> don't think this will change much this scenario if they are put directly at
>> end
>> >>      users disposition.
>> >>      >
>> >>      > Finally, an important detail to highlight in the report is:
>> "(D) The plan of the Secretary to transition all Department addresses to
>> IPv6."
>> >>      >
>> >>      > Let's see who will be the big buyers and how will this affect
>> the IPv4 value for the next years.
>> >>      >
>> >>      > Regards
>> >>      > Fernando Frediani
>> >>      >
>> >>      >
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